Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

Heyward said:
AA goes for guys on 1 year deals. Gray is getting a big-time contract. Rodon is interesting though on a 1-yr pact.
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I’m putting my money in AA going after Soler as this years big one year contract. I think Soler has the most upside of the 4 outfielders acquired this year. My guess is the money saved on Ozuna would get Soler for a year. ( I’m assuming Ozuna gets a 162 game suspension)
 
I dont think Ozuna gets 162 but im not against using some of Ozuna's money to bring back Soler for however long they suspend Ozuna.
 
DirkPiggler said:
How many of Ozuna's missed games came after his domestic violence incident?
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I don't think anyone knows 100%. But I have to think any games that could be used for this are those when he was officially put on administrative leave which was Sept 10th.

Now he has been getting paid still during this time. If he gets suspended and wants to apply those 20 games or so towards the suspension he can. He would just have to pay back his salary for those games.

The Braves should already be getting insurance money back from when he was first got injured to the point he was put on administrative leave.
 
chipchildress said:
this guy has made $133 million in salary in his career.

so what, 25 million a year isn't enough now? great. go braves.

if freddie freeman truly was the nicest guy in the world, why ever take any salary again? give it to charity. the whole world is ****ed if this is where we are.
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What is the world coming to when someone would rather pay for internet access in order to ****post instead of giving that money to charity. Really makes you think.
 
DirkPiggler said:
Adrianza can play SS. As could Ozzie in a pinch.

Neither Arcia nor Camargo can contribute enough with the bat to justify a roster spot. And Demeritte may not either. He has the appearance of a AAAA all-star.
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Adrianza is no longer a member of the Braves - he's a free-agent.
 
thewupk said:
I don't think anyone knows 100%. But I have to think any games that could be used for this are those when he was officially put on administrative leave which was Sept 10th.

Now he has been getting paid still during this time. If he gets suspended and wants to apply those 20 games or so towards the suspension he can. He would just have to pay back his salary for those games.

The Braves should already be getting insurance money back from when he was first got injured to the point he was put on administrative leave.
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I'm guessing this is one the Union will be able to dance him around.

He was eligible to return from the 10-Day IL on May the 6th. That means his 60-Day IL stint would have ended on June 25th. The team played 65 games between that date and when he was put on the Exempt List.

I'd imagine those 65 games will have to figure in to the length of any suspension applied since the MLBPA will claim that the Braves didn't activate him during that period because they were directed not to do so by the Commissioner's Office (even though he wasn't on the Exempt List).
 
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Schwarber if freeman walks?

Schwarber
Soler
Bryant

Allows soler/Schwarber to DH on rotation and keep their legs fresh in the field.

I believe Schwarber played some first base this year so potentially an option

This is of course assuming freeman gets a monster deal from someone else.
 
chipchildress said:
this guy has made $133 million in salary in his career.

so what, 25 million a year isn't enough now? great. go braves.

if freddie freeman truly was the nicest guy in the world, why ever take any salary again? give it to charity. the whole world is ****ed if this is where we are.
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You are consistently one of the most miserable posters on this board.
 
clvclv said:
I'm guessing this is one the Union will be able to dance him around.

He was eligible to return from the 10-Day IL on May the 6th. That means his 60-Day IL stint would have ended on June 25th. The team played 65 games between that date and when he was put on the Exempt List.

I'd imagine those 65 games will have to figure in to the length of any suspension applied since the MLBPA will claim that the Braves didn't activate him during that period because they were directed not to do so by the Commissioner's Office (even though he wasn't on the Exempt List).
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It will also depend if Ozuna would want to do that. He would have to give money back for any "time served" situations. He very well could just keep it and take the suspension starting with opening day of 2022.
 
clvclv said:
I'm guessing this is one the Union will be able to dance him around.

He was eligible to return from the 10-Day IL on May the 6th. That means his 60-Day IL stint would have ended on June 25th. The team played 65 games between that date and when he was put on the Exempt List.

I'd imagine those 65 games will have to figure in to the length of any suspension applied since the MLBPA will claim that the Braves didn't activate him during that period because they were directed not to do so by the Commissioner's Office (even though he wasn't on the Exempt List).
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That makes the most sense.

Whether they count time served or not should be a wash in terms of payroll. As others have said, if he gets to count his paid time off as his suspension he'll owe that amount back to the team. If not the team won't have to pay him. Either way the net effect on payroll will be the same. They aren't going to credit any pay recouped due to last year's games towards last year's pay, if for no other reason than it would increase the taxable income in a strong fiscal year. If Ozuna gets a full year suspension retroactive, the Braves will still get his $18MM back on the books for this year one way or the other.
 
thewupk said:
It will also depend if Ozuna would want to do that. He would have to give money back for any "time served" situations. He very well could just keep it and take the suspension starting with opening day of 2022.
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I'm sure there will be multiple options - assuming the suspension is laid down, accepted, and served at some point. Time served and a flat fee to be repaid/donated to battered women's charities could be one of them.

My main point is that if MLB tries to hand down a long suspension that the Union will bring a busload of lawyers to make sure that whatever number that is is reduced by those 65 games so that he can get back to drawing game checks ASAP.
 
clvclv said:
I'm sure there will be multiple options - assuming the suspension is laid down, accepted, and served at some point. Time served and a flat fee to be repaid/donated to battered women's charities could be one of them.

My main point is that if MLB tries to hand down a long suspension that the Union will bring a busload of lawyers to make sure that whatever number that is is reduced by those 65 games so that he can get back to drawing game checks ASAP.
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One of the main points of contention is expected to be guaranteed contracts against acts of violence, etc....

I don't think the Union wants to be seen as a bunch of pro wife beaters.
 
DirkPiggler said:
That makes the most sense.

Whether they count time served or not should be a wash in terms of payroll. As others have said, if he gets to count his paid time off as his suspension he'll owe that amount back to the team. If not the team won't have to pay him. Either way the net effect on payroll will be the same. They aren't going to credit any pay recouped due to last year's games towards last year's pay, if for no other reason than it would increase the taxable income in a strong fiscal year. If Ozuna gets a full year suspension retroactive, the Braves will still get his $18MM back on the books for this year one way or the other.
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The whole problem with the situation is that MLB is handling it and the Braves have no "out". Saving the little bit of money for whatever period his suspension lasts doesn't help matters - the league is likely going to keep the organization on the hook for the remainder of the contract when the team simply wishes he would just go away.

The only thing that will put a bigger damper on the celebration/honeymoon between the Braves and the city than having to allow him to rejoin the team at some point would be to have Freddie leave this winter. Whether it makes absolutely no sense from a strictly baseball perspective makes no difference. The city and the typical fans are going to be in love with the team for several years - until Freddie, Dansby, or Snitker leaves or they're putting an accused wife-beater in the lineup every night. Most people in Atlanta aren't going to give two *hits about the fact he "paid his dues" to society/served his "time"/etc.. Those points will mean even less now that there will be a new flag flying at Truist Park - and there will be a ton of people who would just as soon the organization eats his salary and releases him even if it makes it tougher for the team to compete.

The Bauer and Ozuna situations pretty much guarantee that teams WILL NOT be responsible for honoring future contracts in situations like these - that the player can be immediately released without being paid the remainder of the contract and the player becomes a free-agent. If one of the other franchises is willing to deal with the situation that comes with having those players on the roster they're more than welcome to sign him - but if it happens again the new organization is on the hook for any contract given and the player is suspended for life.

Consequences for one's actions - something that seems to disappear more and more every day.
 
clvclv said:
I'm sure there will be multiple options - assuming the suspension is laid down, accepted, and served at some point. Time served and a flat fee to be repaid/donated to battered women's charities could be one of them.

My main point is that if MLB tries to hand down a long suspension that the Union will bring a busload of lawyers to make sure that whatever number that is is reduced by those 65 games so that he can get back to drawing game checks ASAP.
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The money aspect is a wash though. Give up 65 game checks just so you can start drawing game checks 65 games early?

Any issue about time served will be about getting back on the field ASAP.
 
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