Official 2024 Off-Season Thread!

I have to hope AA is smart enough to understand this is not the year to be buying “front line” starting pitching. This is the year to get good value on a solid #3.
 
Hudson2 said:
I’ve been screaming for Cease for almost a year now. I hope he is high on the list and could be extended. We just need one top starter this year and another next year when the market is loaded and a lot of teams that got pitching this year won’t need it next year. We’ll need a DH next year also with Ozuna gone.
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What makes you think Cease is anymore likely to extend than Fried?
 
Enscheff said:
I have to hope AA is smart enough to understand this is not the year to be buying “front line” starting pitching. This is the year to get good value on a solid #3.
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If we can't or won't sign Yamamato, then I agree. Gray could be a sneaky good sign though, assuming we can get him for 3 years. Even at a high AAV, it would be worth the gamble, imo. He's been super reliable over the years.
 
Carp said:
If we can't or won't sign Yamamato, then I agree. Gray could be a sneaky good sign though, assuming we can get him for 3 years. Even at a high AAV, it would be worth the gamble, imo. He's been super reliable over the years.
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There are deals that make sense, but seeing Nola get 7/172 makes me think Gray won’t be signing one of those deals.
 
Carp said:
If we can't or won't sign Yamamato, then I agree. Gray could be a sneaky good sign though, assuming we can get him for 3 years. Even at a high AAV, it would be worth the gamble, imo. He's been super reliable over the years.
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Losing the 2 picks and the international money lowers his value a lot imo. Every team besides the Phillies was gonna offer less money than the Phillies bc of that same reason. The QO is a killer for some players.
 
Enscheff said:
There are deals that make sense, but seeing Nola get 7/172 makes me think Gray won’t be signing one of those deals.
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But Gray has a QO attached, which weakens his market. I'm sure he's noticed the players in recent years who have overplayed the market and been stuck with lower deals than anticipated. So maybe that gives him some motivation to sign a good deal now, rather than hoping some gets desperate and goes 5/150.
 
I like Nola but was wary of going to 6-7 years for him. Not sure how well he'll age with a declining fastball. I also find it hard to believe, AA had the best offer. If we were close for him, then it means like Scheff said only stupid money deals can outbid AA. He can offer big deals for FA's.
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
I like Eduardo Rodriguez because Max Fried is a lefty and we need to find a lefty replacement. Just 30 years and if we add him 4-5 years is not that bad.
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I keep forgetting that Gray has loss of assets associated with signing him. That puts me at Rodriquez if he wants to play in atlanta.
 
I haven't done any analysis on this but it seems like the *good pitchers* have aged pretty well during their 30s...

There's not many *good pitchers*... but my anecdotal memory says they age better than hitters in their 30s
 
sturg33 said:
I haven't done any analysis on this but it seems like the *good pitchers* have aged pretty well during their 30s...

There's not many *good pitchers*... but my anecdotal memory says they age better than hitters in their 30s
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They do, but 36-37 isnt young. Nola may be fine but it's still risky to guarantee a pitcher that much money.
 
If AA was talkin to Nola’s people and now Grays then I expect him to move pretty quick to have a SP locked down before Thanksgiving
 
I just can’t get over the picks and international slot money. Using last year’s pick slot values, a second and fifth rounder is giving up $1.8 million of our signing bonus pool. And sure, we would likely get a pick back last year when Fried leaves, but it would be a pick after the fourth round since we’re in the luxury tax.

Then you’re talking about giving up $1 million of international money. We’re currently slated to sign Jose Perdomo, who is a top three prospect in the 2024 class. I would certainly imagine that everything is fine to sign him if we lose that $1 million, but that’s a large amount of money to give up.

I just don’t see any way that it’s worth giving up all of that money for a 34-year-old Gray, no matter how much his market falls apart.
 
CJ9 said:
I just can’t get over the picks and international slot money. Using last year’s pick slot values, a second and fifth rounder is giving up $1.8 million of our signing bonus pool. And sure, we would likely get a pick back last year when Fried leaves, but it would be a pick after the fourth round since we’re in the luxury tax.

Then you’re talking about giving up $1 million of international money. We’re currently slated to sign Jose Perdomo, who is a top three prospect in the 2024 class. I would certainly imagine that everything is fine to sign him if we lose that $1 million, but that’s a large amount of money to give up.

I just don’t see any way that it’s worth giving up all of that money for a 34-year-old Gray, no matter how much his market falls apart.
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Given our already thin system without much in terms of high-end offensive talent, I agree wholeheartedly.
 
The Phillies plan to be “pretty aggressive” in pursuing Yoshinobu Yamamoto, according to a reporter for the Philly Inquirer
 
UNCBlue012 said:
The Phillies plan to be “pretty aggressive” in pursuing Yoshinobu Yamamoto, according to a reporter for the Philly Inquirer
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Yeah but the article also says "but if they don’t settle on the right price, they won’t push for a deal.”

Matt Gelb (The Athletic for Philly) then in another article says that he's hearing the Phillies "will not be a top bidder on Yamamoto after finalizing the Nola deal.”
 
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