Official 2024 Off-Season Thread!

Hulavol said:
If we do, it will hopefully not be anything close to what the rumored asking price is. I’d rather see what we have developing on the farm than watch what we have developing for the Chisox…..
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We played the "let's just stick with the guys we're developing on the farm" game last year and it went... not well. We are too elite of a team to gamble/settle for that crap.
 
I'd also continue to be intrigued by Burnes but he's got a lot of the same question marks as Cease... 3.81 FIP and less fWAR at 3.4... velocity dipped from 96.2 mph to 95.5 mph. K rate when down and walk rate went up. But one less year of control and the last report I heard was that the Brewers were leaning towards not trading him in the off season.
 
I think if we can Lorenzen to a 1 year deal. We can move Lorenzen to the bullpen if he don’t work.

Other player is Giolito to a 1 year deal with a option to a second year. Maybe we can fix him. I am not sure if Waldrep will be ready to get call up by the summer. Just in case Giolito is not working.
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
I think if we can Lorenzen to a 1 year deal. We can move Lorenzen to the bullpen if he don’t work.

Other player is Giolito to a 1 year deal with a option to a second year. Maybe we can fix him. I am not sure if Waldrep will be ready to get call up by the summer. Just in case Giolito is not working.
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We already have a Lorenzen... his name is Bryce Elder... gross (yeah he may have higher velocity but his K and BB rates are about the same). I'd take a gamble on Giolito but he can't be the answer. He was so bad last year and not much better the year before.
 
Looking a bit more at Michael Wacha... he's had a bit of a career resurgence. When healthy he's been pretty good. 8.31 K/9, 2.88 BB/9... consistently out performs his FIP/xFIP.

His pitch run values on statcast are actually pretty impressive.
 
zbhargrove said:
We already have a Lorenzen... his name is Bryce Elder... gross (yeah he may have higher velocity but his K and BB rates are about the same). I'd take a gamble on Giolito but he can't be the answer. He was so bad last year and not much better the year before.
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I am think Lorenzen/Giolito for fifth starter.
 
I'm wondering if Lopez was the rotation help. Expecting some combination of the existing starters, Lopez, and the farm arms to produce three playoff starters isn't crazy. It's not my preference, but I would understand it.
 
Jaw said:
I'm wondering if Lopez was the rotation help. Expecting some combination of the existing starters, Lopez, and the farm arms to produce three playoff starters isn't crazy. It's not my preference, but I would understand it.
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I dont think people want to hear it but I think the idea with Lopez was so AA doesnt have to make a desperate move. I think AA will make a move if, and only if, its a good deal for the team. Fried/Strider is as good of 1-2 punch as any team has. Mortons a good #4 and Elder is a capable #5 starter. Its not the end of the world if we fill out the rotation with another back of the rotation starter. People are hyper focused on the playoffs yet when we did the best in the playoffs we didnt even have the rotation depth we do now. Heck, we pulled Kyle Wright off the scrap heap to start a world series game. I dont think its a coincidence my hair started falling out soon after.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont think people want to hear it but I think the idea with Lopez was so AA doesnt have to make a desperate move. I think AA will make a move if, and only if, its a good deal for the team. Fried/Strider is as good of 1-2 punch as any team has. Mortons a good #4 and Elder is a capable #5 starter. Its not the end of the world if we fill out the rotation with another back of the rotation starter. People are hyper focused on the playoffs yet when we did the best in the playoffs we didnt even have the rotation depth we do now. Heck, we pulled Kyle Wright off the scrap heap to start a world series game. I dont think its a coincidence my hair started falling out soon after.
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And yet Cajun, the outlook would remain the same as this team is constructed. That 1-2 combo is good. But we've already seen the cobbled together rotation routine for long enough. Anything after those first two is like not having the end piece to your puzzle. It is time. I don't know how...who..or what, but I think we gotta get THAT DUDE to help in the post season.

You can piece together a bunch of middling pitchers in the regular season. Perhaps you out offense everybody...I love that. But one and done sucks come playoff time. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Elder, AAAA bus is gonna cut it this year. As someone posted earlier..maybe AA doesn't make another move. But...I think it'll be a not so good decision.
 
What concerns me is Frieds elbow and Mortons age. If those 2 go down then AA will rush Waldrep and AJSS. And at the deadline youre gonna have to trade as much then as you would have now and gotten a full season out of them. And Hula, saying you'd take Elder over Cease is one of the dumbest things i’ve ever seen on this board. He is a clear 2 at worst.
 
zbhargrove said:
Looking a bit more at Michael Wacha... he's had a bit of a career resurgence. When healthy he's been pretty good. 8.31 K/9, 2.88 BB/9... consistently out performs his FIP/xFIP.

His pitch run values on statcast are actually pretty impressive.
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I believe I read he went to the change up a good bit more ? And it’s improved
 
Rosenthal:

The Dodgers are discussing a trade in which they would get RHP Tyler Glasnow and OF Manuel Margot from the Rays for RHP Ryan Pepiot and OF Jonny Deluca, sources tell
@TheAthletic
. Deal not complete. Changes possible. Financial exchange likely. On it:
@Bnicklaus7 and @AzoulayHaron

I really like Glasnow, but the Dodgers are already lacking in starter depth, so trading away a young guy with a legit upside in Pepiot is perplexing.
 
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zbhargrove said:
We already have a Lorenzen... his name is Bryce Elder... gross (yeah he may have higher velocity but his K and BB rates are about the same). I'd take a gamble on Giolito but he can't be the answer. He was so bad last year and not much better the year before.
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Jesus, are we really talking about scrubs like this? If you're not going to move the needle, keep the money in your pocket.

We crapped out pitching-wise the last two years in the playoffs because of Strider's oblique, Morton's finger, Fried's virus and blister. If they're hurt or sick again, we're again going to have a tough time in the playoffs, using twice-thru-the-lineup guys, bullpen games and piggybacking.

I wouldn't mind acquiring one more starter, but it's got to be someone who moves the needle. The guys we're talking about here, well, they're a waste of scarce resources.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Jesus, are we really talking about scrubs like this? If you're not going to move the needle, keep the money in your pocket.

We crapped out pitching-wise the last two years in the playoffs because of Strider's oblique, Morton's finger, Fried's virus and blister. If they're hurt or sick again, we're again going to have a tough time in the playoffs, using twice-thru-the-lineup guys, bullpen games and piggybacking.

I wouldn't mind acquiring one more starter, but it's got to be someone who moves the needle. The guys we're talking about here, well, they're a waste of scarce resources.
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This, and it was the same argument at the trade deadline.
 
Tapate50 said:
This, and it was the same argument at the trade deadline.
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Trade deadline is always more expensive because you are paying the competitors premium.

Honestly, at this point, I don't see us adding anyone else that moves the needle. And I don't know if we will ever see a time where AA signs a ToR that does just that.

Even after this season when we lose Fried and Morton. We will probably add from the very bottom tier.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Jesus, are we really talking about scrubs like this? If you're not going to move the needle, keep the money in your pocket.

We crapped out pitching-wise the last two years in the playoffs because of Strider's oblique, Morton's finger, Fried's virus and blister. If they're hurt or sick again, we're again going to have a tough time in the playoffs, using twice-thru-the-lineup guys, bullpen games and piggybacking.

I wouldn't mind acquiring one more starter, but it's got to be someone who moves the needle. The guys we're talking about here, well, they're a waste of scarce resources.
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Spot on. If they dont move the needle then dont waste the resources.
 
Of all the SP names being thrown around that we should target, very few if any of these are someone you'd feel comfortable starting a playoff game. So if that's the case then what is the point?
 
zbhargrove said:
We played the "let's just stick with the guys we're developing on the farm" game last year and it went... not well. We are too elite of a team to gamble/settle for that crap.
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Not sure you should trade anyone that might project to be a top three starter from the minors if you're the Braves.
 
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