Official Fire Fredi Thread

thewupk said:
A manager paying attention could have.
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Fredi is usually at the top step, or sitting next to his right hand man McDowell or Tosca.

Fredi doesn't go out as often but he's been ejected a bunch here albeit without the flair of Bobby's.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Oh, and if a few of these guys develop and the Braves get good again, you can count on him being here forever. Maybe a manager of the year or two.

Get ready, it's coming.
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And? I want the team to do well. If that means Fredi does well, good.
 
Dalyn said:
:happy0157:
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By the way, he's doing an excellent job getting the best out of Kelly, AJ, Gomes, and Maybin, wouldn't you agree? Just a hell of a job. Not a lot of managers could do that.

I also like two inning relief appearances to help with bullpen overuse. He used Martin for two today. I think it's safe to say Fredi's at the vanguard of finding ways to keep his bullpen healthy.
 
Dalyn said:
And? I want the team to do well. If that means Fredi does well, good.
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Please. You'd have rather eaten a bullet than see Prado do well. Prado could have led the club to the World Series and you'd still be sporting a woody for offing him. It's the same with Fredi.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Please. You'd have rather eaten a bullet than see Prado do well. Prado could have led the club to the World Series and you'd still be sporting a woody for offing him. It's the same with Fredi.
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That's ridiculous, and there's no truth to it. I'm a Braves fan, first and foremost. I analyze and sometimes criticize, but once the game starts, I root for every member of the organization. Always have, and I always will.
 
Dalyn said:
That's ridiculous, and there's no truth to it. I'm a Braves fan, first and foremost. I analyze and sometimes criticize, but once the game starts, I root for every member of the organization. Always have, and I always will.
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You were pretty outspoken against Fredi in 2012 and 2013 when our teams were pretty good. Wanted him canned then just as much as you do now.
 
Heywood said:
You were pretty outspoken against Fredi in 2012 and 2013 when our teams were pretty good. Wanted him canned then just as much as you do now.
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Yep. Didn't mean I wanted him to fail. There's a HUGE difference in not liking someone's game (or managing style) and wanting them to fail. I didn't like Prado's game (more his overworking to the point of hurting the team), but I sure wanted him to do well. I don't like Fredi's managing style, but I would LOVE for him to do well.
 
Are we really going to say thinking someone isn't the right person for the job is the same as rooting against them? I've never rooted against a member of the Braves in my life. Hell, I even rooted for Yunel when he played for us, and I think he's a scumbag.
 
Dalyn said:
Are we really going to say thinking someone isn't the right person for the job is the same as rooting against them? I've never rooted against a member of the Braves in my life. Hell, I even rooted for Yunel when he played for us, and I think he's a scumbag.
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In all seriousness, that is not the message I've gotten from you over the years. I'm glad to hear you want them to do well.

Interesting on the Yunel thing. I've reached the conclusion he's a cocky Cuban, just like the rest of the cocky Cubans. The people Castro ran out were the professional and upper middle class, leaving the less polished working class behind. So there's a big difference between Tony Oliva/Camilo Pascual (or Fredi Gonzalez) and Yunel Escobar/Yasiel Puig.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
By the way, he's doing an excellent job getting the best out of Kelly, AJ, Gomes, and Maybin, wouldn't you agree? Just a hell of a job. Not a lot of managers could do that.

I also like two inning relief appearances to help with bullpen overuse. He used Martin for two today. I think it's safe to say Fredi's at the vanguard of finding ways to keep his bullpen healthy.
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I'm only part teasing with these comments. You want something he does well, I'm giving it to you.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
In all seriousness, that is not the message I've gotten from you over the years. I'm glad to hear you want them to do well.

Interesting on the Yunel thing. I've reached the conclusion he's a cocky Cuban, just like the rest of the cocky Cubans. The people Castro ran out were the professional and upper middle class, leaving the less polished working class behind. So there's a big difference between Tony Oliva/Camilo Pascual (or Fredi Gonzalez) and Yunel Escobar/Yasiel Puig.
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I've always thought Escobar--for all his quirks--is a pretty good baseball player. I think the thing with the post-Batista Cuban player is that they became insulated celebrities and many have had a difficult time adjusting both on and off the field. The Cuban League is a closed system and I think that shows. Just my two cents that is probably worth less.

PS--I think Fredi's been doing alright with the mix-and-match this year. Kelly Johnson and Jonny Gomes are doing alright and outside of some odd bullpen decisions and his penchant for playing Eric Young, Jr., I don't have a lot of beefs with him.
 
thewupk said:
It's not about that. It's about biting the bullet and protecting the players from themselves. Do you think there was any chance in hell Bobby would have let Freeman get ejected last Monday?
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"Protecting the players from themselves" - like y'all were screaming he should be doing for Teheran before he finally started throwing fastballs for strikes yesterday???

Sure didn't look like his knee was bothering him very much when he did that.
 
Runnin said:
Okay, I'll bite, though it's clear you know even less about baseball than you do about politics.

1. Like BC, his mentor, Fredi doesn't call out his players in the press. He doesn't use the press to try and motivate or shame. I'll bet that if/when he has harsh words he does it behind closed doors.

2. He's the first one in the clubhouse every morning and always the last one to leave.

3. He always remembers birthdays and kid's names.

4. He keeps a good, positive relationship with the press.

5. He doesn't get too high after wins or too low after losses.

6. He practices good motorcycle safety.

7. Unlike some of the nuts in this thread, he doesn’t make everything about him.

8. He's kind to bat boys and people in the service industry. (He's an above average tipper.)

9. He ALWAYS has his jersey tucked in.

10. He doesn't panic with starting pitchers and let's them try and work out of trouble themselves.

11. You don't read stories about him singing karaoke down at the strip club.

12. When it comes to handling the pitching staff, he does pretty much whatever Roger says.

13. He realizes that his job is really 90% political and social and only 10% baseball strategy. Thus, he DOES NOT call out his GM in the press, no matter what a douche he may be.

14. He does whatever his GM asks of him.

15. He doesn't go on blogs and pretend to be an expert on subjects he knows nothing about.

16. He gives young guys plenty of reps but doesn't leave them in so long that they assume they are now the starter, so they aren't suddenly surprised when they find themselves out of the lineup.

17. He uses his vets to show the rookies the way.

18. He's not afraid to call for a 'hit and run'.

19. He doesn't overuse his bullpen as bad as before.

20. He talks to Bobby Cox regularly.
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While somewhat posted in jest (methinks), there are several of those that truly are pretty good indicators of things "good Managers" all do.
 
clvclv said:
"Protecting the players from themselves" - like y'all were screaming he should be doing for Teheran before he finally started throwing fastballs for strikes yesterday???

Sure didn't look like his knee was bothering him very much when he did that.
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He was hit in the knee over three weeks ago (he would already be off the DL). You don't think maybe it's feeling a little better? Or maybe he tested it enough to stop pitching scared?
 
GovClintonTyree said:
It looks to me like Freddie has a flair for pissing off umpires. Not saying Hirschbeck's not a dick, he is. But Freddie can be a dick, I think.

Maybe they brought Pierzynski in to mentor Freddie, not Bethancourt.
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Have always thought Freeman's expression is what tends to get him on some Umpires' wrong sides at times - probably not so much what he says, but he does have that kinda "you can't really be THAT stupid, can you?" look that you often see from smatr*ss kids when they're trying to show you up without saying anything. I personally think several of them are more apt to put up with him tossing a bat or helmet at times when he disagrees (as long as it's not one of those ridiculous spikes of them) than they are that look. You just know the cameras ALWAYS pick up his expression when he gives it, and it almost looks like he's daring them to say something and asking for it at times.
 
Dalyn said:
He was hit in the knee over three weeks ago (he would already be off the DL). You don't think maybe it's feeling a little better? Or maybe he tested it enough to stop pitching scared?
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You were still bitching about it 5 days ago when he got shelled. Some kind of miraculous recovery without going on the DL. He's said it himself the entire time - his knee wasn't bothering him and WASN'T the reason for his struggles.

But then again, he's only saying that to keep people from bitching about Fredi of course.
 
clvclv said:
You were still bitching about it 5 days ago when he got shelled. Some kind of miraculous recovery without going on the DL. He's said it himself the entire time - his knee wasn't bothering him and WASN'T the reason for his struggles.

But then again, he's only saying that to keep people from bitching about Freddi of course.
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Actually, I "bitched" about the changes to his delivery, and I suggested they were because he made an adjustment after getting hit in the knee. And players CONSTANTLY say they aren't hurt when they are. It happens all the damn time. Julio changed his delivery almost IMMEDIATELY after getting hit. Last night was the first start since then that it looked more like before, but it was still off some. You think it's a coincidence that he went 12 innings with only 1 run before getting hit in the knee and immediately blew up afterward for 3+ weeks? I also don't understand why you and others have to be so damn hostile when discussing an issue. Can't people disagree and debate something without insulting and being childish?
 
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