Official Fire Fredi Thread

Heywood said:
Ok. Hart is only going to take the job for the next 2 years at the most, why bring in his own guy? Coppy and Hart have two different philosophies. Why not just let Coppy hire his own guy when Hart steps down?
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Oh for gods sake. The team is playing well. Guys are improving, playing hard. Most of us would have taken .500 at the quarter pole. Rosenthal doesn't know ****. He's speculating, as he often does.

Gonzalez is solid, and he should be. He's actually a pretty good manager for this particular club.

The only thing that might have helped last year was to bring somebody in to piss people off. But that's not the Braves Way.
 
clvclv said:
And if you'd have been paying attention yesterday, they continuously updated the difference in pitch selection and how they made a point of discussing it with Julio between starts. He's said since day one that his knee wasn't bothering him, and those of you that honestly believe that Roger and Fredi haven't watched their #1 SP's throwing sessions and bullpens like hawks for differences in his delivery that could be attributed to his knee actually bothering him are just nuts.

If they were indeed being that reckless, both would deserve to be fired. Of course some of you know Julio's delivery and demeanor MUCH more intimately from watching him on TV than Fredi and McDowell do when they watch him every day.
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He's pitching through something. The knee, probably. He's not right. He looks better though.
 
Maybe Julio's hitting a mental block from the injury. Maybe it was injured but not as bad as we thought it was and now he's over thinking mechanics in an effort to not try and reaggravate it.
 
I would think Hart's main problem with Fredi is him playing low upside guys over our young players. If I was GM, or really even just a fan like I am, it makes sense to be angry when Peterson, Maybin, and Bethancourt are benched for EY, Gosslin, and to a lesser degree AJ.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Oh for gods sake. The team is playing well. Guys are improving, playing hard. Most of us would have taken .500 at the quarter pole. Rosenthal doesn't know ****. He's speculating, as he often does.

Gonzalez is solid, and he should be. He's actually a pretty good manager for this particular club.

The only thing that might have helped last year was to bring somebody in to piss people off. But that's not the Braves Way.
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That's a good point. There wasn't much managing you could do with last year's club. You just threw them out there and it was sink-or-swim with what you've got. The bench was thin, so there wasn't much mix-or-match you could do.

My on-going issue with Fredi is his bullpen usage patterns, but I don't think that warrants his firing.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
I would think Hart's main problem with Fredi is him playing low upside guys over our young players. If I was GM, or really even just a fan like I am, it makes sense to be angry when Peterson, Maybin, and Bethancourt are benched for EY, Gosslin, and to a lesser degree AJ.
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Maybin and Young are 2 years apart in age, Maybin is not a young guy. He's a guy who should be played for the hope of him playing well and us being able to unload him for prospects. But he doesn't belong with Peterson and Bethancourt. I also think the reason Lord Douchebag is playing over Bethancourt is because he's doing well we're hoping a team will buy him at the deadline.
 
zitothebrave said:
Maybin and Young are 2 years apart in age, Maybin is not a young guy. He's a guy who should be played for the hope of him playing well and us being able to unload him for prospects. But he doesn't belong with Peterson and Bethancourt. I also think the reason Lord Douchebag is playing over Bethancourt is because he's doing well we're hoping a team will buy him at the deadline.
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I'd agree with the AJ part.

Maybin still has untapped potential because he hasn't been able to play without getting hurt. I suspect that if he could stay healthy we are going to love the results. Therefore, he should have been playing every single day from the beginning of the season.
 
thethe said:
I'd agree with the AJ part.

Maybin still has untapped potential because he hasn't been able to play without getting hurt. I suspect that if he could stay healthy we are going to love the results. Therefore, he should have been playing every single day from the beginning of the season.
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I agree we should have started him from the start. Frediot just always lives up to his name.
 
57Brave said:
What bullpen?

Braves haven't had a functioning bullpen since Jonny Venters got hurt.
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I was talking about usage patterns as opposed to the talent of the pitchers. Fredi just seems to use guys inconsistently instead of getting guys into their roles and keeping them there (especially the early "bridge" guys). Right now, he's got Grilli and works backwards from there and Avilan is the LOOGY, but other than that, it looks like a tossed salad to me.
 
Fredi logic: "I don't know what my pitcher did, but whatever it was he shouldn't have done it."

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

I can't imagine being a player absolutely thrilled to come to the ballpark to play for this idiot...or douche....or hypocrite.

What away to inspire your troops.

Can't imagine any other manager/coach saying they were scared as hell going into a game started by a certain pitcher.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Fredi logic: "I don't know what my pitcher did, but whatever it was he shouldn't have done it."

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

I can't imagine being a player absolutely thrilled to come to the ballpark to play for this idiot...or douche....or hypocrite.

What away to inspire your troops.

Can't imagine any other manager/coach saying they were scared as hell going into a game started by a certain pitcher.
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Indefensible. I don't like his handling of the Wood ejection, not at all. You got something to say, say it to Alex Wood, not DOB.

That was one of Bobby Cox's Cardinal rules. This is the third or fourth time Fredi has criticized a player in the media.

I remember Yunel Escobar cadillacing a throw to first up the line and almost getting Troy Glaus killed. It was the last straw. Bobby was seething, you could see it. After the game Bobby said, no, everything was fine, Yunel had "gotten a little lazy" with the throw but he'd be back in there tomorrow....and he was. For Toronto.

If Bobby didn't throw Yunel under the bus, despite hating his guts, nobody was going to get sold out to the media.

Fredi didn't learn that. Big miss.
 
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