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Russ2dollas said:
Klaw's FA guide is out.

He has Correra, Turner and Swanson all at 30 million per year and 6-8 years. I wonder if AA will target a specific guy or just put out a 30 million per year for 5 years and an Option and see who takes it first. Maybe the Dodgers get one, or maybe two because they are the dodgers. Maybe someone wants to be Baez and take the most money but end up on a **** team.

I think the Braves are going to be attractive as a long term winner. Turner and Dansby have personal and relationship ties to the general area.

IF all three guys are going to cost the same, I think I'd go ahead and get Correa. Yes it's a big defensive downgrade and that is concern with Riley over there. But I don't trust Dansby's bat or his defense aging. I'd take Correra, tell him and Snit that Grissom is going to play SS every 5 games to keep Correra healthy (Correa to DH in those games). I'm going to default to the big bat.

My dream is Turner and family really want to go back towards home and take a discount, but I know it's not realistic.

6/150 for Dansby just worries me. I just don't see him as an impact bat and I worry about his defense aging.
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If we're looking at 6-8/$30+ AAV on Correa, Turner, and Swanson, I'd see if Bogaerts would go for 3 years at a similar AAV. Lose some defense, but Bogaerts is a better hitter than Swanson. I only see Correa getting more than 6 years, but I agree that six years for Dansby at the price you've quoted probably isn't a great deal for the Braves.
 
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50PoundHead said:
If we're looking at 6-8/$30+ AAV on Correa, Turner, and Swanson, I'd see if Bogaerts would go for 3 years at a similar AAV. Lose some defense, but Bogaerts is a better hitter than Swanson. I only see Correa getting more than 6 years, but I agree that six years for Dansby at the price you've quoted probably isn't a great deal for the Braves.
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Who is that a good deal for with dansby? This thought makes me think swanson won't get that
 
msstate7 said:
Who is that a good deal for with dansby? This thought makes me think swanson won't get that
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Just commenting on Russ' post of Keith Law's conjecture. Swanson has the same problems on offense that he had when he first hit the bigs. His increase in power has offset that to some extent. Great on defense. I don't know what that's worth (and it doesn't help that the Braves don't have anyone behind Swanson that is major-league-ready at the position), but I think anyone who goes over five on him better hope the first few years are golden.
 
Good luck to whatever team gives Swanson 6/180+. Luckily, AA is too smart for that nonsense.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some team thinks it's "smart" to give Swanson $180 rather than giving Correa $300M. I also wouldn't be shocked if Swanson held out too long for $180M and was forced to take a 1 year deal for $25M.

AA giving Correa $300M would surprise me a lot, but who knows? Definitely not going to dismiss the idea.

Literally nothing other than the Braves holding a fire sale would shock me this off season. AA could fall anywhere between literally zero FA additions, or add both Correa and Conforto...and neither would shock me. Well, I suppose adding deGrom or Diaz would shock me, but that isn't going to happen.
 
6 years/30 per would not be great for Dansby, not sure if Law is right but if thats the price. i'd try to go for Xander and see if he'd take a lesser years, higher AAV deal.
 
Dansby won’t sniff 30 per from anybody. 25 per is max for him imo and I hope we don’t do it. With LF being mired up between Ozuna and Rosario we need to upgrade SS to make up some of the difference. I’d just pay a little more and get Correa or Turner. Xander won’t be at SS long.
 
When do we start discussing a new board name. I feel like we need to get one before the season starts to avoid last years situation where it was just created without a vote. bad juju you know.
 
Enscheff said:
Good luck to whatever team gives Swanson 6/180+. Luckily, AA is too smart for that nonsense.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some team thinks it's "smart" to give Swanson $180 rather than giving Correa $300M. I also wouldn't be shocked if Swanson held out too long for $180M and was forced to take a 1 year deal for $25M.

AA giving Correa $300M would surprise me a lot, but who knows? Definitely not going to dismiss the idea.

Literally nothing other than the Braves holding a fire sale would shock me this off season. AA could fall anywhere between literally zero FA additions, or add both Correa and Conforto...and neither would shock me. Well, I suppose adding deGrom or Diaz would shock me, but that isn't going to happen.
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$30M/yr? Holy hell. No way he’s worth that. No way. And the next 5-6 are not going to look like this one.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Jon Heyman reporting that we made an extension offer during the season to Swanson, somewhere around $100m....obviously he declined.
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I still remember arguing with folks on this board back in May/June over offering Swanson 4 years 60 million. he’s probably going to triple that.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Jon Heyman reporting that we made an extension offer during the season to Swanson, somewhere around $100m....obviously he declined.
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I wonder if it was 4 or 5 years? 4 @ $25 MM AAV is a reasonable offer and I will be curious to see if offers go considerably higher than that for him.

From the 30,000 foot view, it looks like years is going to be a bigger hang-up for a lot of these guys than AAV. We may be seeing a wider range of Freeman redux with a frantic game of musical chairs late in the off-season.
 
Tapate50 said:
Swanson gets 25M for 4 or 5.
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I think it might be 6. $25M is not an awful number considering that you've let him go to market. I don't think anybody's offering him $30M, Keith Law's hitting the pipe again. Bet if you'd offered him 6-$120M before the season he'd have taken it, but now he's...well, a free agent. All it takes is one knucklehead. Arte Moreno hasn't sold yet.

Speaking of which, I wonder if all those guys who took top dollar from the Angels over the last decade are sorry they did it. Hard to imagine the largest metro area in the world is purgatory, but I have to think Anaheim has been soul crushing for Albert, and Hamilton, and Trout, and Rendon...let's say hypothetically Swanson has two offers - $30M x 6 from Anaheim and $25M x 6 from Atlanta. Can he walk away from $30M, knowing in Atlanta he's close to the last piece of the puzzle and competing for championships every year? Or is it impossible to pass up that last $30M?
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I think it might be 6. $25M is not an awful number considering that you've let him go to market. I don't think anybody's offering him $30M, Keith Law's hitting the pipe again. Bet if you'd offered him 6-$120M before the season he'd have taken it, but now he's...well, a free agent. All it takes is one knucklehead. Arte Moreno hasn't sold yet.

Speaking of which, I wonder if all those guys who took top dollar from the Angels over the last decade are sorry they did it. Hard to imagine the largest metro area in the world is purgatory, but I have to think Anaheim has been soul crushing for Albert, and Hamilton, and Trout, and Rendon...let's say hypothetically Swanson has two offers - $30M x 6 from Anaheim and $25M x 6 from Atlanta. Can he walk away from $30M, knowing in Atlanta he's close to the last piece of the puzzle and competing for championships every year? Or is it impossible to pass up that last $30M?
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Angels have to be the most poorly-run franchise in the game. There are dinosaurs out there, but Moreno rides the dinosaur short bus. He's just made so many reflexively stupid decisions.

Here's a stinging indictment from a Sports Illustrated article published in August: https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/08/24/arte-moreno-angels-sale-good-riddance

They shouldn't be as bad as they are, but they are.
 
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50PoundHead said:
Angels have to be the most poorly-run franchise in the game. There are dinosaurs out there, but Moreno rides the dinosaur short bus. He's just made so many reflexively stupid decisions.

Here's a stinging indictment from a Sports Illustrated article published in August: https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/08/24/arte-moreno-angels-sale-good-riddance

They shouldn't be as bad as they are, but they are.
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I thought Minasian would help, what with his bloodlines and all, but they seem to have dragged him down with them.
 
Sometimes it's ownership and the pressure to do something that makes them do something bad.

Competing with Dodgers might be maddening.
 
An offer of $100M for Swanson is not a serious offer.

Swanson's camp is going to look at the Baez and Story deals from last year and rightfully declare that the starting point. Those contracts were both 6/140 with an opt out provision, and I'd 100% prefer Swanson over Baez (what a moronic contract that was), and probably would prefer him over Story.

So that's the starting point: 6/140. Any speculation that doesn't meet or beat that is not realistic unless Swanson holds out too long for $180M and tanks his own market...which I could definitely see happening.
 
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Mr.Heyman seems pretty off, mainly on years, on some of his top 30 free agent predictions.

Has both Correa and Turner landing a 9 year / $275m contract. Dansby at 7 year / $175m, Bogaerts at 8 years / $225m
 
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