Official official offseason thread

chop2chip said:
For the “why we should frontload contracts” crowd… I found this interesting. You typically don’t see contracts structured liked this.

It makes sense that the non-guaranteed years would be lower AAV. But I’m surprised to see the guaranteed years frontloaded so heavily, especially for a team that will never come close to the luxury tax. I wonder if they agreed to this close the deal.

Carlos Correa contract:
Signing bonus: $8M
2023: $36 million
2024: $36 million
2025: $36M
2026: $31.5M
2027: $30.5M
2028: $30M
Non-guaranteed
2029: $25 million
2030: $20 million
2031: $15 million
2032: $10 million
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This deal seems like something AA should have been able to consider. Correa once again falls in the Twins' laps.

Swanson for 7/177 vs Correa for 6/200. Give me Correa all day if those are the choices.
 
Enscheff said:
This deal seems like something AA should have been able to consider. Correa once again falls in the Twins' laps.

Swanson for 7/177 vs Correa for 6/200. Give me Correa all day if those are the choices.
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unfortunately the choices were Correa for money he can't spend, Swanson for less money he still can't spend, or Grissom for league min..
 
Enscheff said:
This deal seems like something AA should have been able to consider. Correa once again falls in the Twins' laps.

Swanson for 7/177 vs Correa for 6/200. Give me Correa all day if those are the choices.
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Paying $70m Correa’s age 35-38 seasons eats away some of the upside to this deal if he’s healthy. I’d be curious what sort of playing time shenanigans Minnesota will attempt in year 6 if Correa’s performance falls off the cliff.

With that said, this is basically the cheapest way to acquire an established elite player on the open market. Twins played their hands masterfully the last two off seasons.
 
Wonder on the medicals, but it does look like a cheap deal. Great he's not on the Mets b/c that is a blow to them. They have a couple of young 3B that most people really like so we shall see.

Otani is not coming to Atlanta. I think most guess that big time Asian stars want to stay on the west coast or maybe New York City.

I think the Braves have a really good team. They likely need to build up the farm system and see if they can develop another impact OF or have enough assets to trade for one if that person is available.
 
The OF FA class isn’t that great outside of Happ next year but he’s one I’d be after if he isn’t extended. The FA SP class is loaded next year. I’d let Morton walk and sign a TOR starter next offseason for sure.
 
Supposedly Mets offer was like 6/155. Thats a pretty good contract, and it's one i would have done. But at least he went to an AL team and not a division rival or the Dodgers, etc. Even with all the Mets spending, could argue they got worse this offseason, where are they dramatically better?
 
Heyward said:
Supposedly Mets offer was like 6/155. Thats a pretty good contract, and it's one i would have done. But at least he went to an AL team and not a division rival or the Dodgers, etc. Even with all the Mets spending, could argue they got worse this offseason, where are they dramatically better?
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The starting rotation could be better. A full season of Verlander is better than a half season of DeGrom. With that said, there is age risk and Sendai is an unknown quantity.

Baty and Alvarez give their lineup more upside than last year. Overall though, I think they’ll score close to the same amount of runs given they were a bit lucky (.322 xwOBA, .326 wOBA).

Who knows about the bullpen. Diaz is great but I don’t love the depth. Maybe Robertson and Ottavino perform well.

I imagine they’ll win 95+ games again. But there’s more question marks than you’d like for a team with a $350m payroll.
 
chop2chip said:
The starting rotation could be better. A full season of Verlander is better than a half season of DeGrom. With that said, there is age risk and Sendai is an unknown quantity.

Baty and Alvarez give their lineup more upside than last year. Overall though, I think they’ll score close to the same amount of runs given they were a bit lucky (.322 xwOBA, .326 wOBA).

Who knows about the bullpen. Diaz is great but I don’t love the depth. Maybe Robertson and Ottavino perform well.

I imagine they’ll win 95+ games again. But there’s more question marks than you’d like for a team with a $350m payroll.
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one would expect a super team for 350 million. But I don't see that with the Mutts.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Wonder on the medicals, but it does look like a cheap deal. Great he's not on the Mets b/c that is a blow to them. They have a couple of young 3B that most people really like so we shall see.

Otani is not coming to Atlanta. I think most guess that big time Asian stars want to stay on the west coast or maybe New York City.

I think the Braves have a really good team. They likely need to build up the farm system and see if they can develop another impact OF or have enough assets to trade for one if that person is available.
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This is something the extensions help with as well. Having the current guys for an extra 2-3 years is 2-3 more years for the farm to produce another Harris.

As always, sustained success will depend more upon developing talent than whether or not one of these extensions flops.
 
Not a dob fan. However he had aa on his 755 is real podcast.

I thought aa really broke down arcia going back to original reason we got him. Details on Grissom.

I think he all but said we won’t keep max bc we need to have enough money to have a good rotation.

Seems like he’s not in the camp of dominant starters for playoffs.
 
Mets fans have to be deflated by not getting Correa. Especially after all the hype about how much Cohen is willing to spend.
Cohen went on a spending spree to basically keep last years team together.
I wonder if the Correa saga caused the Mets to missed out on some second tier FA’s that might have helped them.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Not a dob fan. However he had aa on his 755 is real podcast.

I thought aa really broke down arcia going back to original reason we got him. Details on Grissom.

I think he all but said we won’t keep max bc we need to have enough money to have a good rotation.

Seems like he’s not in the camp of dominant starters for playoffs.
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This will be unpopular but I’d keep Max this year and see if I could get a couple of legit prospects for him next offseason and sign one of the starters that will be available.
 
Hudson2 said:
This will be unpopular but I’d keep Max this year and see if I could get a couple of legit prospects for him next offseason and sign one of the starters that will be available.
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I'd move him now for max value (no pun intended lol), but no chance we would. I think we've gotten the best out of him.
 
Heyward said:
I'd move him now for max value (no pun intended lol), but no chance we would. I think we've gotten the best out of him.
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Problem is fit. You’d need to find a team who is also expecting to compete for the ws but also has surplus impact bats ready to contribute. We aren’t trading two years of max for low A guys.

I think next year is more likely bc they will have more data on Anderson, soroka, elder and shuster. Also if wright or strider can be a top 15 pitcher.

Even so you’d need a haul. Bc one year of max plus a draft pick is worth a ton to a team trying to win it all. AA was very clear in the dob interview he’s all about rotation depth.

I still think it’s most likely he has two more playoff runs with us and then we take the draft pick and put his money into somewhere else.
 
I'd like to see us sign Franmil Reyes. I know he's a DH only guy, but the bat has been pretty dang good before 2022.
 
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