Official official offseason thread

I hope those who jumped my **** for saying we were essentially done after Murph have their crow defrosting. AA didn’t want to jump in the deep end with the crazy prices but this team will have to go get a FA and the market is set. You think next years garbage is going to take discounts. So instead of over paying for a star we might be forced to over pay for meh.

Glad our core is locked up. It will help cover the holes we have. It will be interesting watching how AA navigates the next few years.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I hope those who jumped my **** for saying we were essentially done after Murph have their crow defrosting. AA didn’t want to jump in the deep end with the crazy prices but this team will have to go get a FA and the market is set. You think next years garbage is going to take discounts. So instead of over paying for a star we might be forced to over pay for meh.

Glad our core is locked up. It will help cover the holes we have. It will be interesting watching how AA navigates the next few years.
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I mean you realize there's still like half of an off season plus spring training left right?
 
I really just have to laugh at the Giants if they/their doctors are really to blame for the Correa deal falling apart, and they give Conforto $36M when he missed all of last year and wasn't great in 2021.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I really just have to laugh at the Giants if they/their doctors are really to blame for the Correa deal falling apart, and they give Conforto $36M when he missed all of last year and wasn't great in 2021.
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It is odd. But 36 is along away from 350. In a few years 36 million over 2 years might be 4th OF money.
 
I guess you have to give AA some cred. Seems the best value in baseball right now is signing young players before they become great. A lot of risk but it seems to be the only asset in baseball that hasn’t gone insane. He might have seen this coming and why he spent all his money for this year last year on the contracts. 3d chess maybe.
 
I think AA is willing to go over the luxury tax if there is a contract/deal that warrants it (I mean he even said that). He's not going to go over if it means a clear overpay. From where I sit, everything in FA this off season has been a huge overpay. The Conforto deal is insane for a guy who was out a whole year because of a shoulder issue (and who had a down year the year before). All the SS deals were insane. Panicking and winning out on any of those bids would handicap the team majorly in the future.
 
Weird observation here. The $36 MM to Conforto is $1 MM more than the $35 MM that Correa lost switching to the Mets. Both are Boras clients. Maybe Conforto is only getting $1MM and Correa is getting the rest.
 
zbhargrove said:
I think AA is willing to go over the luxury tax if there is a contract/deal that warrants it (I mean he even said that). He's not going to go over if it means a clear overpay. From where I sit, everything in FA this off season has been a huge overpay. The Conforto deal is insane for a guy who was out a whole year because of a shoulder issue (and who had a down year the year before). All the SS deals were insane. Panicking and winning out on any of those bids would handicap the team majorly in the future.
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He just has to hope the Grissom gamble works out at short, whether it's this year or there are signs that he'll be ready to be good there in 2024. Otherwise, we're either in a position of having to plug it with stopgaps until we develop another one or we're in the position next offseason of having to overpay for Anderson or A. Rosario or overpay in a trade for Adames. Shortstop is too important of a position to have too much uncertainty.

LF, I think the best bet is to wait until late January and see if the prices on any of these remaining useful free agents come down enough.
 
zbhargrove said:
I think AA is willing to go over the luxury tax if there is a contract/deal that warrants it (I mean he even said that). He's not going to go over if it means a clear overpay. From where I sit, everything in FA this off season has been a huge overpay. The Conforto deal is insane for a guy who was out a whole year because of a shoulder issue (and who had a down year the year before). All the SS deals were insane. Panicking and winning out on any of those bids would handicap the team majorly in the future.
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While the premise by AA is valid, not signing someone bc they are deemed to be too expensive is a bit ignorant in the grand scheme of things. These are the prices the market has set. It’s all proportionate. If you don’t want to spend on an elite bat bc he’s too expensive, and you don’t want to spend on a middle of the road bat bc he’s too expensive, then what do you do when the average to below average bat is too expensive? At some point he’s going to have to spend. Someone is going to get paid more than what they are deemed to be worth by him bc all prices are grossly inflated.

IMO, it’s much more palatable to complain about spending too much for a star than it is spending too much for a shmuck. At least the star will positively impact your team.

This is analogous to AA having 100k in his pocket and he’s without a car. He can either purchase a Honda for 60k or a Lexus for 80k. Instead, he’s waiting for some unknown car to come down in price, that may or may not happen. It’s like he’s waiting for some cast aside Hyundai for 30k to become available.

I wonder how much of this is his philosophy vs ownership penny pinching again.
 
bravesnumberone said:
He just has to hope the Grissom gamble works out at short, whether it's this year or there are signs that he'll be ready to be good there in 2024. Otherwise, we're either in a position of having to plug it with stopgaps until we develop another one or we're in the position next offseason of having to overpay for Anderson or A. Rosario or overpay in a trade for Adames. Shortstop is too important of a position to have too much uncertainty.

LF, I think the best bet is to wait until late January and see if the prices on any of these remaining useful free agents come down enough.
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Okay but it still made zero sense to panic and pony up for the stupid lengths/amounts for the deals. If Grissom fails it isn't hard to get a really good glove first guy at short which works for us considering the rest of the lineup is filled with mashers. Did I want one of the big 4 SS's? Of course... am I glad AA didn't get into a bidding war at those prices? Uhh... yeah.
 
tululush said:
While the premise by AA is valid, not signing someone bc they are deemed to be too expensive is a bit ignorant in the grand scheme of things. These are the prices the market has set. It’s all proportionate. If you don’t want to spend on an elite bat bc he’s too expensive, and you don’t want to spend on a middle of the road bat bc he’s too expensive, then what do you do when the average to below average bat is too expensive? At some point he’s going to have to spend. Someone is going to get paid more than what they are deemed to be worth by him bc all prices are grossly inflated.

IMO, it’s much more palatable to complain about spending too much for a star than it is spending too much for a shmuck. At least the star will positively impact your team.

This is analogous to AA having 100k in his pocket and he’s without a car. He can either purchase a Honda for 60k or a Lexus for 80k. Instead, he’s waiting for some unknown car to come down in price, that may or may not happen. It’s like he’s waiting for some cast aside Hyundai for 30k to become available.

I wonder how much of this is his philosophy vs ownership penny pinching again.
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It's not that they were deemed "too expensive" it was deemed that they weren't "worth it" which they aren't. And its more the years than amounts I think that's pretty clear. You can say its the market all you want... it's still stupid and will hamstring other teams for years. Just because the market dictated the pricing doesn't mean you should pay the prices. I'm glad AA isn't an idiot. Also how are we penny pinchers when we are currently sitting at 6th in payroll?
 
zbhargrove said:
Such a dumb take... I'm sorry... penny pinching and not being stupid are two different things. We are a top 6 payroll team in baseball and that should only go up.
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I mean it in the sense that AA probably believes that there are several guys in between the star shortstop and crazy Conforto prices and Jordan freaking Luplow that would improve this roster, but it's becoming apparent that the luxury tax threshold is keeping us from adding even those. The penalty money will be chump change compared to the money the team will continue to rake in. So yes, I consider us cheap asses for not going ahead and cutting Ozuna and hoping against hope that a Rosario/Luplow platoon will work.
 
Super said:
i am so mad the Braves won’t be deemed the winners of the off-season. the competition that really matters
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Yep. I feel like I’ve seen all of this teenage message-board drama before, only this time we’re a top six or seven payroll. SMH.
 
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