Official official offseason thread

thewupk said:
Ignoring what the brewers gave up. We did well in the Murphy trade in what we lost. What we gave up was no way good enough to land Murphy and adames. Brewers can barely pay for the team as is. They aren't taking on dead money like Rosario just because.
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First of all... I never said anything about Rosario and the Brewers. Second... yes, I think the Murphy trade was fair and I'm super happy he's on the team. Its more about the Brewers not giving up really anything for Contreras. Was just bizarre.
 
Enscheff said:
You can’t call every single FA contract “too expensive”. If they are all “too expensive” then that means the price for FAs has gone up, and so must your definition of “too expensive”. If you saved $60k for a new truck, you can’t complain about trucks being “too expensive” when every single one sells for $90k. It means you didn’t budget according to the actual market value of a new truck.

All FA options that matter are now off the board, and the Braves are stuck with Rosario/Luplow in LF and Ozuna/Murphy at DH. They may grab a 2 win SS, but that’s not a real upgrade over Arcia. Barring a trade, the Braves have a question mark at SS and replacement level players at LF/DH.

Not ideal, but this is still a Top 5 team in MLB.
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I think it’s easy to see now why AA bit the bullet and gave Morton his $20m upfront. Also, the upside of Grissom or Arcia being a cost controlled SS option is also higher in this environment.

I think the Braves probably have one last $20-30m long term salary they can fit on the payroll with this core. The fortunate part of having such a strong team is that AA has the luxury to sit out this free agent class if he prefers next years (or maybe Murphy is that guy).

We have a good amount of bad money rolling off the payroll the next two years, which will open roster spots and free up money to fill those roster spots. I am sure we will see AA be aggressive again.
 
zbhargrove said:
First of all... I never said anything about Rosario and the Brewers. Second... yes, I think the Murphy trade was fair and I'm super happy he's on the team. Its more about the Brewers not giving up really anything for Contreras. Was just bizarre.
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I mentioned the Rosario thing. I didn’t realize they were in such dire straits financially.
 
tululush said:
Semantics. But ok these players “aren’t worth it.” I agree. They’re not. But none of these players are. And none of the players next year will be either. The market has driven prices up and they’re not suddenly going to come down. So what do you do? I’m being serious. What do you do when you have a hole at ss and lf and your options are to bargain hunt and likely overpay for a shmuck, way overpay for a above average to super star player, or plug the hole with someone from the farm who may or may not be ready? At some point you will have to spend. It’s inevitable. And if everyone “isn’t worth it,” what do you do?

Back to my car analogy, you’re going to need to buy a car at some point. So where do you spend your money?
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The car analogy is that we have a busted car in LF that's currently way under water. And our credit isn't good enough to be able to roll that negative equity into an upgrade.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I mentioned the Rosario thing. I didn’t realize they were in such dire straits financially.
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Their window is likely two more years while Burnes is on the team. He will be traded at the 2024 deadline if they are out of it then. But yeah, they aren't spending money at all on anything.
 
Is Baltimore still considering a Satander trade? That’s something I could see AA pulling off under the radar to help the LF situation a bit beyond what it is now. Not sure what it would take overall.
 
thewupk said:
Their window is likely two more years while Burnes is on the team. He will be traded at the 2024 deadline if they are out of it then. But yeah, they aren't spending money at all on anything.
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The Brewers have a lot of young players that could potentially improve over last year. If Yelich could bounce back to 80 - 90 percent of the player he was and Contreras can be the hitter he was last year with average defense, the Brewers could challenge to win the Central.

It would have been dumb for the Brewers to trade Adames this offseason. If their young players develop they could win the Central before he is a FA.

The only way I see the Brewers trading a 5 win SS with 3 years control is a team taking Yelich and most of his salary.
 
Best case scenerio is that Grissom comes out and shows he can be the SS of the future and we get another cheap extension and can spend the money elsewhere. SP I think is where the problem comes in. Morton is fixing to retire soon and Fried I think is a goner. FF never got the extension and neither did Dansby and the same thing is happening with Fried. After this season I’d trade him for the most I could get and sign Nola or somebody else in FA.
 
Hudson2 said:
Best case scenerio is that Grissom comes out and shows he can be the SS of the future and we get another cheap extension and can spend the money elsewhere. SP I think is where the problem comes in. Morton is fixing to retire soon and Fried I think is a goner. FF never got the extension and neither did Dansby and the same thing is happening with Fried. After this season I’d trade him for the most I could get and sign Nola or somebody else in FA.
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I think we need a extra SS and start Grissom at AAA minimum the first 2 months. Marlins are shopping Joey Wendle and he play multiple positions and I don’t think is crazy expensive.
 
Wendle seems like another AA type player, but idk if the Marlins would be in the mood to trade with us after they gave us Duvall for a AAAA catcher.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Is Baltimore still considering a Satander trade? That’s something I could see AA pulling off under the radar to help the LF situation a bit beyond what it is now. Not sure what it would take overall.
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If you don't like Ozuna and Rosario defense, then you most certainly will not like Satander
 
ixiXSolidXixi said:
I think we need a extra SS and start Grissom at AAA minimum the first 2 months. Marlins are shopping Joey Wendle and he play multiple positions and I don’t think is crazy expensive.
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I was just thinking about this and I think keeping Grissom down is the most likely outcome. I'm not so sure we need to get an extra SS however. Without Grissom we could put together a roster today of

Acuña RF
Harris CF
Albies 2B
Riley 3B
Olson 1B
Murphy C
d'Arnaud DH/C
Rosario/Lupow LF
Arcia SS

Rosario/Lupow OF
Ozuna DH
Adrianza IF
Tromp C

Shewmake I believe is available as a depth SS option as well seeing as he's on the 40 man. Tromp and Adrianza are what they are as protective game day depth. I'd like to see what the Arcia/Rosario/Ozuna/Lupow combo can give us. Can Arcia hold down SS? Can Rosario hit again? Same question for Ozuna as well as could he play passable defense? Is Lupow worth playing or is he strictly a backup?

We also will probably need to reevaluate Riley's defense with the new shift rules. When we bring Grissom up should we consider moving Riley to left?

d'Arnaud also begins to look like a serious in season trade candidate that could bring us back some useful pieces if Ozuna and the LF group can get it together.

I think there's a good amount of value in seeing how the pieces we have work together before calling up Grissom.
 
JxnMissFan said:
The Brewers have a lot of young players that could potentially improve over last year. If Yelich could bounce back to 80 - 90 percent of the player he was and Contreras can be the hitter he was last year with average defense, the Brewers could challenge to win the Central.

It would have been dumb for the Brewers to trade Adames this offseason. If their young players develop they could win the Central before he is a FA.

The only way I see the Brewers trading a 5 win SS with 3 years control is a team taking Yelich and most of his salary.
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Agreed. They are a good enough team to win the central or snag a WC spot.

Yelich is an example of a big time deal wrecking a small to mid market team when that player doesn't produce.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Could it be worse than Eddie and Marcel?
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I wish if we weren’t going to upgrade lf we’d at least put an all defensive player out there. Instead we get no offense and no glove in left. It’s literally the worst thing we could possibly do.

Ozuna is a sunk cost. I wish we’d just cut him. How many off the field arrests does someone need to have before they’re cut loose? As for Rosario, I’ll never understand why AA gave him 2 years.
 
I figured Toronto could get a lot more for Moreno and Gurriel - like one of the OF prospects the Diamondbacks have a few of at the moment. Varsho is 26 and his percentile rankings aren’t too great.
 
I will be interested to see how much the shift rule really affects overall defense. While we won’t see three guys on one side, we will still likely see one guy up the middle most of the time. The IF will still shift, just not quite as dramatically. The biggest change will be losing the short outfielder (usually Riley for the Braves).

I suspect guys like Wash have been scheming to minimize the damage from the new rule, and the impact, while noticeable, will be less dramatic than we expect.
 
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