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Losing Jansen is a relief. I was nervous every time he came in. And with the throw over rules and shifting people are gonna run on him even more than they were.
 
Hudson2 said:
Losing Jansen is a relief. I was nervous every time he came in. And with the throw over rules and shifting people are gonna run on him even more than they were.
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I am not a huge fan.. but we can't pretend the dude didn't have a very good year. production someone will have to replicate.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Not sure how that is unless someone steps up that we don’t know about. I know we got that guy from Detroit. But is he enough to offset Jansen
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Full season of Iglesias… we also picked up the really good lefty from the Yankees Luetge… he’s gotta be quite a bit better than the shell of Matzek that was around last year. As much as I love Matzek for what he did with us, he was not good at all last year and his velocity was zapped. Jimenez is quite a bit better than Jansen at this point. But you’re also forgetting the additions of Santana and Nick Anderson… Anderson has the chance to be great. The pen is easily better than last year if everyone stays healthy and it’s really not close.
 
zbhargrove said:
Full season of Iglesias… we also picked up the really good lefty from the Yankees Luetge… he’s gotta be quite a bit better than the shell of Matzek that was around last year. As much as I love Matzek for what he did with us, he was not good at all last year and his velocity was zapped. Jimenez is quite a bit better than Jansen at this point. But you’re also forgetting the additions of Santana and Nick Anderson… Anderson has the chance to be great. The pen is easily better than last year if everyone stays healthy and it’s really not close.
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I will take your word on this as I really don’t know much about those guys. I knew our pen would still be pretty strong but less strong. Maybe I was backwards on that.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I will take your word on this as I really don’t know much about those guys. I knew our pen would still be pretty strong but less strong. Maybe I was backwards on that.
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Everyone should get to know Nick Anderson. If he can stay healthy, his stuff is absolutely disgusting. Last time he was playing regularly, he was striking out like 15 per nine while only walking something like 2.5 per nine. Granted he’s been hurt so there’s your wild card.

In 2020, dude was worth 1.0 fWAR in only 16 innings.
 
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Actually I thought Anderson had TJS but apparently he had kind of a band aid procedure for his partially torn elbow ligament. Don’t think these band aid approaches typically have a ton of success so maybe he’s more of a long shot due to health but man if he can find his old form, he’s flat out dominant.
 
zbhargrove said:
Actually I thought Anderson had TJS but apparently he had kind of a band aid procedure for his partially torn elbow ligament. Don’t think these band aid approaches typically have a ton of success so maybe he’s more of a long shot due to health but man if he can find his old form, he’s flat out dominant.
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seems like a poor move to bandaide a torn elbow and still miss the same time that you would have with the TJS..
 
Still let's look at the fWAR for additions/losses in the pen (WAR isn't perfect for relievers but gives us a quick dirty comparison):

Jansen (35 years old) 1.1 fWAR
Jimenez (28) 1.4 fWAR

Luetge (35) 0.9 fWAR
Matzek (32) -0.1 fWAR

Those two guys alone are a net positive 1.3 fWAR


We also added Dennis Santana 0.7 fWAR (although he may not make the MLB club... actual stats quite a bit worse than expected stats)
Then whatever Nick Anderson could give us... his one full season he put up 2.1 fWAR and put up another 1.0 fWAR in the 2020 shortened season. Has been injured pretty much since.

Plus a full year of our best reliever, Iglesias. And maybe Yates comes back strong now that he has a full healthy off season.

To me, the pen looks clearly much better.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
So are we better than last year or worse.
Might be good to go by position

SP— stood pat so even
BP— lost kenely and Matzek so worse
DH— worse with lose of WC imo
1B —. Same.
2nd — better with ozzie
SS — lost dansby so worse
3B — same
RF— saying better since Ronnie should be way better
CF — same although I like MH to improve
LF — worse since we lost gross but same could be used
Catcher — gotta say improved since I pegged WC on DH side.
Bench— say the same. It was blah last year too.
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SP - could be better if Strider stays healthy.... him in the rotation for a full year could be huge. Also depending on how the 5th spot works out, it could be better as well. Soroka finding it again would be massive.
BP - better
DH - worse
1B - I'd argue looking at Olson's career and how he ended the season, this could easily be better. He finally got comfortable towards the end after making a swing adjustment.
2B - healthy season of Ozzie is a ton better
SS - worse (although I stil think we sign Andrus or something which could free Grissom up to learn some more OF - and then we are still worse here but not by near as much)
3B - same
RF - a ton better if the real Ronnie comes back
CF - a full year of Harris should make it quite a bit better
LF - we barely had Gross... I don't think you could get worse than Ozuna/Rosario last year... I think we have a shot to be better here (especially if we can end up with Grissom here)
C - a lot better
Bench - tough to say at this point. Could go either way but I'll agree its about the same for now.
 
Claiming each position is "better" or "worse" as some sort of comparison between this year and last year is an odd exercise. Somehow ignoring the drop at SS is 10x the magnitude of any improvement to the BP. Also stating a position that suffered with injury will be better this year while simultaneously ignoring other positions will likely suffer injuries that make them worse than last year.

Projected WAR tells you the actual answer to the question that exercise is failing to answer.
 
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Enscheff said:
Claiming each position is "better" or "worse" as some sort of comparison between this year and last year is an odd exercise. Somehow ignoring the drop at SS is 10x the magnitude of any improvement to the BP. Also stating a position that suffered with injury will be better this year while simultaneously ignoring other positions will likely suffer injuries that make them worse than last year.

Projected WAR tells you the actual answer to the question that exercise is failing to answer.
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I mean, we all get that. All I was doing was giving my opinion in the same format he did. Its called a discussion.
 
zbhargrove said:
SP - could be better if Strider stays healthy.... him in the rotation for a full year could be huge. Also depending on how the 5th spot works out, it could be better as well. Soroka finding it again would be massive.
BP - better
DH - worse
1B - I'd argue looking at Olson's career and how he ended the season, this could easily be better. He finally got comfortable towards the end after making a swing adjustment.
2B - healthy season of Ozzie is a ton better
SS - worse (although I stil think we sign Andrus or something which could free Grissom up to learn some more OF - and then we are still worse here but not by near as much)
3B - same
RF - a ton better if the real Ronnie comes back
CF - a full year of Harris should make it quite a bit better
LF - we barely had Gross... I don't think you could get worse than Ozuna/Rosario last year... I think we have a shot to be better here (especially if we can end up with Grissom here)
C - a lot better
Bench - tough to say at this point. Could go either way but I'll agree its about the same for now.
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Why didn’t you just list out the entire roster at this point? We need to see it.
 
We still have several weeks of nothing to talk about. I am fine with anything at this point. **** are we dog fans or cats. I like the independence of cats. But the love and attention a dog has is far superior.
 
Comparing position rankings between years and listing our lineups is less annoying those the posts complaining about position rankings and lineups.
 
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