Official Offseason Thread

50PoundHead said:
Correa's ask is supposedly somewhere in the vicinity of 7/210 MM. I don't know if that fits or not. I don't see a discount coming from any of these guys. Correa is 28, Turner is 29, and Bogaerts is 30, so this is probably their last chance at a big contract in terms of both AAV and years. You might get a bit of a discount out of Swanson, but if the big three are off the board, he will likely have the remaining suitors. We don't have a ton of prospect capital and we don't have an heir apparent in the system, so covering the position will likely have to come through the free agent market.

I think Anthopoulos has a broad framework from which he will work and he'll no doubt get a read on the guys who rank above Swanson (Correa, Bogaerts, Turner). I disagree with Russ a bit. I agree that Anthopoulos doesn't flirt, but he does play a waiting game. Ozuna was a late-signee in both 2020 and 2021. The Freeman decision came right down to the wire. Granted, COVID in the 2020-2021 off-season and lockout in 2021-2022 played a part in that, but I have never seen him as someone who jumps early for the most part.
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We are not that far off.

Every year AA has waited late and signed people. That is true.

But Every year AA has also gone out and signed a big splash guy or guys (north of 10 million per year) in the first week. He's been in interviews and has said they like to target and go get their guy. My assumption is SS is so critical that he will do that with SS this year. Maybe not. Maybe they think Grissom or another option (trade, etc) is viable. I don't think so. I think he'll land a SS early as that is the gigantic hole in the team and will likely take the majority of funds. Then he'll take his time exploring other options to improve the team.

The orioles seem to have a lot of young hitters and no pitching. We have some pitching. Maybe there is a deal there.

Playing chicken on SS to see who ends up losing musical chairs might be the most cost effective strategy, but that would make me nervous. Maybe everyone finds a chair. Maybe you get someone but they are angry and not invested. AA isn't acting like a guy strapped for cash. I think he'll get a SS early and I think it is going to cost 150+ million. I don't think Turner is being talked enough about as an option.
 
50PoundHead said:
Correa's ask is supposedly somewhere in the vicinity of 7/210 MM. I don't know if that fits or not. I don't see a discount coming from any of these guys. Correa is 28, Turner is 29, and Bogaerts is 30, so this is probably their last chance at a big contract in terms of both AAV and years. You might get a bit of a discount out of Swanson, but if the big three are off the board, he will likely have the remaining suitors. We don't have a ton of prospect capital and we don't have an heir apparent in the system, so covering the position will likely have to come through the free agent market.

I think Anthopoulos has a broad framework from which he will work and he'll no doubt get a read on the guys who rank above Swanson (Correa, Bogaerts, Turner). I disagree with Russ a bit. I agree that Anthopoulos doesn't flirt, but he does play a waiting game. Ozuna was a late-signee in both 2020 and 2021. The Freeman decision came right down to the wire. Granted, COVID in the 2020-2021 off-season and lockout in 2021-2022 played a part in that, but I have never seen him as someone who jumps early for the most part.
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The moves of Donaldson, Smyly, and several others have come early in the offseason. He does seem to have a main target early in the offseason and strike.
 
Russ2dollas said:
We are not that far off.

Every year AA has waited late and signed people. That is true.

But Every year AA has also gone out and signed a big splash guy or guys (north of 10 million per year) in the first week. He's been in interviews and has said they like to target and go get their guy. My assumption is SS is so critical that he will do that with SS this year. Maybe not. Maybe they think Grissom or another option (trade, etc) is viable. I don't think so. I think he'll land a SS early as that is the gigantic hole in the team and will likely take the majority of funds. Then he'll take his time exploring other options to improve the team.

The orioles seem to have a lot of young hitters and no pitching. We have some pitching. Maybe there is a deal there.

Playing chicken on SS to see who ends up losing musical chairs might be the most cost effective strategy, but that would make me nervous. Maybe everyone finds a chair. Maybe you get someone but they are angry and not invested. AA isn't acting like a guy strapped for cash. I think he'll get a SS early and I think it is going to cost 150+ million. I don't think Turner is being talked enough about as an option.
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With all of the extensions handed out, we are set at 1B, 2B, 3B, CF, RF, and C for the foreseeable future. SS is the obvious area to address this offseason.

As you mentioned, I expect AA to address it early in the offseason, probably before Thanksgiving. He knows what his future obligations are and knows relatively what next years budget will be. I expect it to rise again by a good bit.

After the SS position is taken care of, then I can see him circle back to fill in the bullpen and possibly a rotation piece, assuming that Odorizzi opts out.
 
Russ2dollas said:
We are not that far off.

Every year AA has waited late and signed people. That is true.

But Every year AA has also gone out and signed a big splash guy or guys (north of 10 million per year) in the first week. He's been in interviews and has said they like to target and go get their guy. My assumption is SS is so critical that he will do that with SS this year. Maybe not. Maybe they think Grissom or another option (trade, etc) is viable. I don't think so. I think he'll land a SS early as that is the gigantic hole in the team and will likely take the majority of funds. Then he'll take his time exploring other options to improve the team.

The orioles seem to have a lot of young hitters and no pitching. We have some pitching. Maybe there is a deal there.

Playing chicken on SS to see who ends up losing musical chairs might be the most cost effective strategy, but that would make me nervous. Maybe everyone finds a chair. Maybe you get someone but they are angry and not invested. AA isn't acting like a guy strapped for cash. I think he'll get a SS early and I think it is going to cost 150+ million. I don't think Turner is being talked enough about as an option.
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Same here. I actually think Anthopoulos had the parameters on the Olson deal, if not totally lined up, fairly well determined in the event Freeman didn't sign and if that fell through, he would have probably inked Rizzo. I don't know if the same logic holds up here because teams won't be contending with the lockout. It's all going to depend on who bids on all the big-name shortstops and if that really drives up the price. I agree there may be some trade availability depending on where the Big 4 at the position end up (say as a hypothetical the Yankees sign Correa, that would put Kiner-Falefa on the market). I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson and Muller find a home elsewhere if such a deal would present itself depending on what would be coming back either at SS or OF.

I do agree with you that Anthopoulos does zero in on some guys out of the gate, especially if it's an area of obvious need.
 
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I think he’ll make a serious offer to Dansby at the end of the season and let him know he’s our choice. However we should also let him know we’re not going to get left out of a fame of musical chairs. After Freddie that should be apparent.

I suspect all other things being equal he’d prefer to be a Brave. It’s his home town and we’re set up to be competitive long term.
 
If money is no option, should sign Swanson and Trea Turner. Play Turner in LF and be absolutely insulated from injury. Have a great ball player at literally every single position, with more very good players on the bench. Basically the Dodgers model.
 
jpack1 said:
If money is no option, should sign Swanson and Trea Turner. Play Turner in LF and be absolutely insulated from injury. Have a great ball player at literally every single position, with more very good players on the bench. Basically the Dodgers model.
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Interesting thought for sure. That lineup would be so sick.
But wouldn't leave any room to improve the rotation or pen which will need addressing.
 
Putting a premium shortstop on left would be wasting a lot of value. It’s a fun thought though. That kind of money would bring a huge bat for a corner outfield spot when one becomes available.
 
We probably just have to stick with what we have in LF for another year unfortunately. The double up at SS and stick one in LF seems unrealistic as hell.
 
Interesting tidbit regarding deGrom going into this offseason on MLBtraderumors....of course, take it with a grain of salt.

Once he reaches free agency, his market will be a difficult one to predict. He has been one of the best pitchers in the game when healthy but hasn’t managed a full season since 2019. The pandemic limited him to just 12 starts in 2020 and then injuries kept him at 15 starts last year and 11 here in 2022. He’s still been excellent when on the mound though, posting a 2.05 ERA over 224 1/3 innings in that three-year stretch, along with a 42.1% ground ball rate, 42.4% strikeout rate and 4.5% walk rate.

Given his excellent quality but diminished quantity in recent years, there is likely to be a wide variance in how different teams will value his potential contributions going forward. For his part, it’s possible that deGrom isn’t particularly focused on strictly maximizing his earnings, with Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic reporting that the righty will also be looking for comfort, preferring to be closer to his Florida home.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Interesting tidbit regarding deGrom going into this offseason on MLBtraderumors....of course, take it with a grain of salt.

Once he reaches free agency, his market will be a difficult one to predict. He has been one of the best pitchers in the game when healthy but hasn’t managed a full season since 2019. The pandemic limited him to just 12 starts in 2020 and then injuries kept him at 15 starts last year and 11 here in 2022. He’s still been excellent when on the mound though, posting a 2.05 ERA over 224 1/3 innings in that three-year stretch, along with a 42.1% ground ball rate, 42.4% strikeout rate and 4.5% walk rate.

Given his excellent quality but diminished quantity in recent years, there is likely to be a wide variance in how different teams will value his potential contributions going forward. For his part, it’s possible that deGrom isn’t particularly focused on strictly maximizing his earnings, with Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic reporting that the righty will also be looking for comfort, preferring to be closer to his Florida home.
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Still dont see us signing him, but there's been alot of smoke about it. DeGrom, a big bat, and a RP has to put us damn near in luxury tax territory. I guess we'd try to move Eddie or Ozuna, maybe even Pina to slash payroll.
 
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bravesfanforlife88 said:
Interesting tidbit regarding deGrom going into this offseason on MLBtraderumors....of course, take it with a grain of salt.

Once he reaches free agency, his market will be a difficult one to predict. He has been one of the best pitchers in the game when healthy but hasn’t managed a full season since 2019. The pandemic limited him to just 12 starts in 2020 and then injuries kept him at 15 starts last year and 11 here in 2022. He’s still been excellent when on the mound though, posting a 2.05 ERA over 224 1/3 innings in that three-year stretch, along with a 42.1% ground ball rate, 42.4% strikeout rate and 4.5% walk rate.

Given his excellent quality but diminished quantity in recent years, there is likely to be a wide variance in how different teams will value his potential contributions going forward. For his part, it’s possible that deGrom isn’t particularly focused on strictly maximizing his earnings, with Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic reporting that the righty will also be looking for comfort, preferring to be closer to his Florida home.
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I’m not sure the Braves are the best fit but there continues to be enough smoke here that it’s worth monitoring.

I wonder if the Cardinals will jump in at some point. They sorely lack frontline pitching, are reasonably close to the South, and are a big enough market to make a competitive offer.
 
chop2chip said:
I’m not sure the Braves are the best fit but there continues to be enough smoke here that it’s worth monitoring.

I wonder if the Cardinals will jump in at some point. They sorely lack frontline pitching, are reasonably close to the South, and are a big enough market to make a competitive offer.
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Cards dont have a ton of money committed next year, so they'll certainly be looking to spend. Regarding Braves, a top 5 of DeGrom, Fried, Wright, Morton and Strider would certainly not suck.
 
msstate7 said:
Dansby and another high leverage reliever

Or...

Degrom and someone like Jose iglesias

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I think we can do DeGrom and a top tier shortstop, payroll would just be absolutely bat**** insane. Would also have to shed payroll somewhere too like Ozuna, Pina, Rosario to name a few.
 
Heyward said:
Cards dont have a ton of money committed next year, so they'll certainly be looking to spend. Regarding Braves, a top 5 of DeGrom, Fried, Wright, Morton and Strider would certainly not suck.
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It would be an absolutely insane rotation
 
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