bravesfanforlife88
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We don’t need to buy a #5 starter but if we are spending that much on the team to win now, I’d rather go for it now
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We don’t need to buy a #5 starter but if we are spending that much on the team to win now, I’d rather go for it now
bravesfanMatt
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You aren’t winning a World Series before July. See what pans out and what needs you have and save some money for the deadline.
BeanieAntics
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I tend to agree. Without knowing exactly what our budget ceiling is it is hard to know exactly what the best plan moving forward is. But within that ambiguous framework, it feels like the most ideal outcome would be to sign Donaldson or trade for a 3rd baseman, possibly bring a cheap RH outfielder in, and save whatever money you have left for the trade deadline. It'd be nice if we could fill 3rd base effectively and still have ~10 million ready to go for trades and stuff. I'd much rather make a move for a SP then rather than doing it now. We'll have a much better idea of where a lot of those potential targets are at by the deadline.
I'd hate to trade for someone like Matt Boyd and him fall apart this year. But if he or someone else like him is killing it in 2020, maybe then we could talk about going and getting them.
I don't know why, but I just have this weird feeling that Chris Archer's name is going to be coming up a lot by midseason. The Pirates have to be regretting that deal a ton and I'd bet they would be itching to move him as soon as he recoups a bit of his value. If he goes out and has a good first half, I expect us to be heavily linked to him. But its equally as possible that I'm wrong and he continues to suck.
BeanieAntics
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What?
UNCBlue012
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Crane was the source, it’s clearly false then.
BeanieAntics
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That is an insane price. Cubs can get effed for that price.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I think for those who want Bryant better be ok with giving up two of those.
Waters and Anderson too much. Maybe not if we sign Ozuna. Still have Wright and Pache with Riley trying to improve to hopefully replace KB.
Waters and Anderson too much. Maybe not if we sign Ozuna. Still have Wright and Pache with Riley trying to improve to hopefully replace KB.
As the Cubs starting point, this is doable...if true. They aren’t asking for Pache or any projected contributor to the MLB roster, which means they are open to being reasonable.
We knew the package would be 3 guys, and I was hoping Riley would be part of it. Settle on Riley as the bat. Include Anderson if the spin rates are a real concern, or Wright if they aren’t a concern. Then get them to check down to a lesser arm as the 3rd piece.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I agree. I checked up to Waters and Anderson which would exclude the third guy imo. If Riley and Anderson then maybe a yona type prospect.
tululush
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If this is true, which I don’t believe, how would the value of the money we’d owe KB + the surplus value in prospects be less than paying JD 100m and saving the prospects? It wouldn’t. Paying JD makes the most sense from a value standpoint.
The fear with JD is that he falls completely off a cliff in the next couple years. His contact rates are trending down, and he wouldn’t be the first late blooming slugger to suddenly stop hitting in his mid-30s.
The idea of selling high on Riley is based on his horrid contact rates. This might be his absolute high point in terms of value. Guys like Gallo and Alfaro and Baez make similar rates work because they either play a premium position, or hit the ball harder than any other human on earth. Riley doesn’t possess those other traits to make up for the lack of contact and zone recognition.
With Anderson the idea is his spin rates won’t produce an MLB quality breaking ball. We see evidence that he is a fastball/change guy in his reverse splits (change works well on LHH), and that could point to less experienced hitters struggling with an MLB quality change...which won’t be the case at the MLB level.
I am against trading Waters for KB unless he’s pretty much the whole package. The other guys are hopefully being sold high in exchange for an MVP contender in his prime that can play a competent 3B/LF at bargain salaries for 2 years. To me, that’s much preferable to giving JD 4/100.
BeanieAntics
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A Bryant trade has to rely on Riley as the main bat in the deal. I wouldn't be willing to deal Waters unless he is worth at least 80% of the package and I wouldn't deal Pache at all. If they are willing to take Riley as the bat, I'd be willing to do one of Anderson or Wright. Beyond that I wouldn't go too much further. The third piece wouldn't be anything of note in my package ceiling. So either something like:
Waters/Weigel/Tarnok
OR
Riley/Anderson/Prospect outside organizational top 30
The first package may slightly overvalue Waters, but I'm very reluctant to give him up in a deal for a 2 year contract. I'd do everything in my power to put the focus on Riley as the offensive centerpiece.
MadduxFanII
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Riley+Wright+Insert Talented But Lesser Minor League Arm Here strikes me as a reasonable price for two years of Bryant. A risky one, sure, in that you're trading away about 18 years of control for two, and while that's always a simplistic calculus (remember when "We get six years of Tyrell Jenkins!" was considered a big selling point of the Heyward trade?), Riley and Wright have legit upside - Wright was a top draft pick, and if you can address Riley's contact issues he's a potential impact bat. But the contact issues are legit, Wright hasn't impressed and you're always going to have that sort of risk when you're a contender making win-now trades.
I'm sort of curious how everyone involved - Braves, Cubs, other teams - actually evaluates Ian Anderson.
I'm sort of curious how everyone involved - Braves, Cubs, other teams - actually evaluates Ian Anderson.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I would love a Riley/ Anderson deal. But I would guess the cubs are going to want a top tier prospect. Is Anderson that guy? I doubt it. I think one of Waters and Pache would have to be in. Cubs are not trading a legit MVP candidate for just fair value.
Heyward
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Well, no Pache, Fried, Soroka mentioned so that's a positive.
I'd do Wright, Riley and a lesser piece. If it's Anderson or Waters, i wouldnt give up much else. I know it was Paul Crane so take it with a grain of salt, but that's not an unreasonable first ask.
I'd do Wright, Riley and a lesser piece. If it's Anderson or Waters, i wouldnt give up much else. I know it was Paul Crane so take it with a grain of salt, but that's not an unreasonable first ask.
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tululush
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If Waters is given up we need to make one upgrade in the outfield in the next year or two. Pache, Acuña and then a gaping hole. I doubt we would have rolled with a Pache, Waters, Acuña outfield, but you never know.
One would wonder if we trade for KB could we afford to sign Ozuna? And if so, would we and essentially go all in? If we’re going all in, I’d rather do it before the season so we get ‘162’ from everyone.
One would wonder if we trade for KB could we afford to sign Ozuna? And if so, would we and essentially go all in? If we’re going all in, I’d rather do it before the season so we get ‘162’ from everyone.
tululush
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KB and Ozuna would add about 40 million to this year’s payroll? (20 million a piece). I think we’re at 130 million. 170 million opening day payroll seems impossible, right? Unless they backload Ozuna’s deal and it ramps up in years 3+ once KB would come off our payroll.
Hudson2
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I never would of guessed that we would have signed Smith or spent as much on the bp as we have, so I have no clue what they are actually willing to spend.