Official Offseason Thread

I'm still shocked JD got 90 plus million. Based on the past couple of years I think 3/60 -65 would have be the market for JD. I'm glad AA didn't invest 4/ 90 million in a player that will more than likely need to be replaced in two years.

The potential upside to this is with so many teams pushing money into the market to compete that there could be more deadline sellers this years trying to recoup some value for older players on expiring contracts.
 
Years was always gonna be the sticking point for AA. I think we were at 3/70+ or so, with a buyout option. Thats fair, and i dont blame AA for not going to 4 guaranteed years. AA really needs to land a bopper now though.
 
Heyward said:
Years was always gonna be the sticking point for AA. I think we were at 3/70+ or so, with a buyout option. Thats fair, and i dont blame AA for not going to 4 guaranteed years. AA really needs to land a bopper now though.
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That's the problem with AA. He'll keep us competitive, but I don't see him ever having the stones to push in his chips and really go for it.
 
CrazyTrain said:
That's the problem with AA. He'll keep us competitive, but I don't see him ever having the stones to push in his chips and really go for it.
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This is quite funny because the top criticism against him in Toronto were related to “push in the chips” moves like Dickey, Tulo, and Price.
 
brian22 said:
Based on us not giving Donaldson five years?
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No, based on his entire track record here. I didn't agree with or want to give Donaldson that money/years, but at some point you have to take some risk. I've said multiple times here that the most I would've offered Josh is 3/$60. I'm more concerned about his unwillingness to part with prospects for immediate upgrades.

My comment wasn't immediately to do with Donaldson, just a general observation of his time in ATL so far.
 
CrazyTrain said:
No, based on his entire track record here. I didn't agree with or want to give Donaldson that money/years, but at some point you have to take some risk. I've said multiple times here that the most I would've offered Josh is 3/$60. I'm more concerned about his unwillingness to part with prospects for immediate upgrades.

My comment wasn't immediately to do with Donaldson, just a general observation of his time in ATL so far.
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How much more evidence do we need that the playoffs are an absolute crapshoot and that staying competitive long term is the name of the game?
 
CrazyTrain said:
If they are truly a crapshoot, than we are the unluckiest group of assholes this side of the Mississippi.
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We've certainly had our share of bad luck in the playoffs. But its not like its some ridiculous streak of bad luck that seems mathematically impossible. Since the streak started in '91, we've been to the playoffs 20 times. We have 1 championship, 5 WS appearances, and we are 12-17 in playoff series overall. We are in the midst of a pretty terrible streak of losing 9 straight series/WC games, but stuff like that just happens occasionally. Before that LCS series with the D'backs in '01, we were 12-8 in playoff series which is actually really good over the span of 10 years.
 
I think we should give AA another month before we call him too cautious. I was leading the “AA should have taken more risk” charge last year, and he proved me wrong.

He has to add a bat, just not an aging one for $90M. Opportunities for good value and impact are still out there.
 
It is interesting to consider the case of Kyle Seager.

The past 3 seasons he's put up WAR of 3.5, 1.5, 2.9.

He is 32. I'd project him at 3 WAR in 2020 and 2 WAR in 2021.

He's making 19M in 2020 and 18M in 2021. There is a reasonable option for 2022.

Expected surplus value over the life of the contract is about 1 WAR, meaning he would not cost us any of our prospects who has sniffed a Top 100 list. Assuming Seattle is willing to sell early.

The in-house options at third project to generate about 1.0-1.5 WAR.

Seager in principle should give us a couple extra wins. If he is avaiable the price should be reasonable. And we would have avoided the long-term risk of signing an older player to a 4 year deal.

The question is whether Seattle is ready to deal and on what terms.

Just one last note. It is unrealistic to think acquiring Seager now will not affect AA's ability to make mid-season moves. A budget is a thing. Something that a lot of people seem to have lost sight of.
 
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Regarding trades. It still takes two to tango.

I think we made a big push for yelich but they wanted acuna.

I think we put albies in a deal for a pitcher but thankfully they didn’t take it.

We were Agressive for realmuto but they wanted our number one prospect....

We overpaid for some pen guys at the deadline imo but with guys that were potential 40 man cuts.

Nobody big has been traded. I think our top 3 are too well regarded to be moved unless you are getting 3 plus years of an established stud.
 
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