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Enscheff said:
That's very creative spin to convince yourself the Braves took BPA. Nicely done.

Posi_Braves asssemmmmbblllle!!
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How, exactly, would the negotiations have been different if the Braves believed Anderson was BPA vs. not believing that? How would he have ended up with more money at 3 if the Braves believed he was BPA, but because they obviously didn't, he got less?

Or are you under the impression that the Braves told him something different than they would have had they believed he was the best player left?
 
Enscheff said:
That's very creative spin to convince yourself the Braves took BPA. Nicely done.

Posi_Braves asssemmmmbblllle!!
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Despite what you think, there's no way to really know.

Just about everybody agrees that Ian was at least a top 10/12 type pick.... in a draft without a ton of generational type talent, its not really a stretch AT ALL to consider that the Braves did consider him BPA or very close to it at #3.

To say with any certainty that the Braves did or did not consider him BPA at #3 is impossible unless you were in their war room.
 
Preacher said:
Despite what you think, there's no way to really know.

Just about everybody agrees that Ian was at least a top 10/12 type pick.... in a draft without a ton of generational type talent, its not really a stretch AT ALL to consider that the Braves did consider him BPA or very close to it at #3.

To say with any certainty that the Braves did or did not consider him BPA at #3 is impossible unless you were in their war room.
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I secretly stalk Enscheff so I, in fact, know that he was in the war room the night Anderson was taken.

I also know he and Coppy knocked out a few mean games of Cornhole while debating Lewis vs Anderson... yes there were a few mike hard lemonades knocked back that evening as well..
 
Haha, the Posi-Braves are in a full on tantrum mode now. How dare anyone suggest Anderson was a budget signing!?!?

Posi-Braves asssemmmmbleee! Someone has suggested a Braves prospect isn't the best ever and must be burned at the stake!!
 
Can the Anderson signing being BPA or not conversation be taken out back and shot in the back of the head yet?
 
Enscheff said:
Haha, the Posi-Braves are in a full on tantrum mode now. How dare anyone suggest Anderson was a budget signing!?!?

Posi-Braves asssemmmmbleee! Someone has suggested a Braves prospect isn't the best ever and must be burned at the stake!!
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Literally no one has said that.

You used to be a dick, but at least you brought effort into your arguments, and they usually made sense. Now you're just a troll who is also a dick. Congrats, I guess.
 
smootness said:
Not at all. You certainly tell Anderson's camp that this is your offer and you won't pay more, whether you are prepared to take someone else or not. It's a negotiation. The bottom line is, Anderson's pre-draft rank had him in line to get about $3 million. When the Braves call and offer $4 million, you don't sit and haggle because the #3 pick should get more than that. You say, oh great, and you take it.

That still does not mean the Braves didn't believe he was BPA. They're not dumb. They also knew where he was ranked, so it would make no sense for them to call and offer more when they likely knew it wouldn't take more.

I am fine if someone doesn't buy that Anderson was BPA. It's certainly possible he wasn't. But it's also absolutely possible that he was. To draw a line in the sand and state that he clearly wasn't and only morons think he was is asinine.
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Braves: Every other team thinks you will get picked around #10. We think you are the 3rd best player in the draft. We will pick you at #3 and sign you for #10 money because we don't think you are worth #3 money.

Braves: You will go around #10. If you sign for what you would of gotten there then we will pick you at #3 so we can sign better players in the draft.

One is way more likely than the other. Braves paid Anderson what they thought he was worth.
 
I would be fine with any of Lewis, Beck, Gore or Adell.

If scouts think his hit tool is/will be good enough, I would prefer Adell.

Just please, BPA at 5.
 
thewupk said:
Braves: Every other team thinks you will get picked around #10. We think you are the 3rd best player in the draft. We will pick you at #3 and sign you for #10 money because we don't think you are worth #3 money.

Braves: You will go around #10. If you sign for what you would of gotten there then we will pick you at #3 so we can sign better players in the draft.

One is way more likely than the other. Braves paid Anderson what they thought he was worth.
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As a thought experiment, take it to the extreme. Let's say Lewis was #1 on the Braves board and required full slot money, while Anderson was #10 on their board and only required $1 to sign. In that scenario, the 100% correct choice is to sign Anderson for $1.

The actual truth obviously lies somewhere between those extremes. There is nothing wrong with paying less for the #10 guy on your board so you have cash to sign Wentz and Muller. That is a perfectly acceptable course of action, and is likely what the Braves did.

It is also completely understandable that they then spun it like they got "the guy they wanted".

Yeah, no ****, but enough with acting like the Braves took the BPA at #3 with no regard to signing cost.
 
thewupk said:
Braves: Every other team thinks you will get picked around #10. We think you are the 3rd best player in the draft. We will pick you at #3 and sign you for #10 money because we don't think you are worth #3 money.

Braves: You will go around #10. If you sign for what you would of gotten there then we will pick you at #3 so we can sign better players in the draft.

One is way more likely than the other. Braves paid Anderson what they thought he was worth.
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Why on earth would the Braves ever say #1, even if they believe it?

It's likely they just said, we like you and here's what we'll offer. You can take it or take your chances elsewhere. There's no rule saying a team must be 100% transparent with everything they actually think.
 
Enscheff said:
I would be fine with any of Lewis, Beck, Gore or Adell.

If scouts think his hit tool is/will be good enough, I would prefer Adell.

Just please, BPA at 5.
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I'd be fine with any of the latter 3. I like them all more than Lewis. And the PG write-ups make it tough to pass on Gore or Adell.
 
I'm at the top of the list that wishes we had more impact hitting prospects, but Gore is really intriguing to me and I wouldn't mind him at all.
 
I might be gullible, but I actually believe the Braves when they say Anderson was their top rated arm in the 2016 draft. He has certainly outpitched Riley Pint and Jason (Jay) Groome so far in their minor league careers and those two are the only starting pitchers I saw rated above Anderson in the draft by baseball America, MLB pipeline, etc. Ian was in the next tier of guys after Pint and Groome from all the draft boards.

Anderson was ranked about the same or better than Garrett and Manning and seen to have more upside than Puk.
 
CJ9 said:
Perfect Game's first mock draft: https://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=13754

It goes Greene-Wright-Lewis-McKay-Beck.
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About two weeks ago places were saying Beck to the Rays was almost a certainty. But now, all the mock drafts, some from the very places that said the Rays were completely locked in on Beck, have the Rays bypassing him. What gives?

BTW, I am feeling much better about the draft now that adell is putting up such monster numbers with very little strikeouts. We will be able draft either Beck or Adell at 5 as I am sure at least one will be there and both are big plus power potential toolsy outfielders which is what we need. I get the feeling we buck the recent trend and go hitter with our first pick.
 
Enscheff said:
As a thought experiment, take it to the extreme. Let's say Lewis was #1 on the Braves board and required full slot money, while Anderson was #10 on their board and only required $1 to sign. In that scenario, the 100% correct choice is to sign Anderson for $1.

The actual truth obviously lies somewhere between those extremes. There is nothing wrong with paying less for the #10 guy on your board so you have cash to sign Wentz and Muller. That is a perfectly acceptable course of action, and is likely what the Braves did.

It is also completely understandable that they then spun it like they got "the guy they wanted".

Yeah, no ****, but enough with acting like the Braves took the BPA at #3 with no regard to signing cost.
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HaHa: This is exactly what those you have branded PosiBraves have been trying to say. Of course the Braves thought they could sign him below slot, but to say that the reason he was picked was for budgetary reasons and the Braves really liked other players better, is really selling him and them short. The Braves had him at the top of their board, and he could be signed for a price that allowed creativity lower in the draft. Does not have to be one or the other.
 
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