Offseason Hot Stove 2024-25 Thread

Carp said:
3.5 years younger is pretty significant. And while Cole has had a better career, what's more important is likely future performance, which is where age is important.

Also, over the last 4 years, Fried's 16.3 bWAR is only slightly behind Coles 17.7 (and Cole has 83 more IPs). The quality of Frieds innings have actually been slightly better over this time frame.
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Any particular reason you stopped at 4 years not 5 years? How about 6 years ago?

Fried throws less innings than Cole even with Cole having some injury sisues. That's not a selling point for fried. Max "can't pitch into the 7th inning" Fried isn't a selling point. If that was a massive selling point, Blake Snell despite getting a Cy Young couldn't sign a massive contract, and Max Fried is no Blake Snell
 
zitothebrave said:
Any particular reason you stopped at 4 years not 5 years? How about 6 years ago?

Fried throws less innings than Cole even with Cole having some injury sisues. That's not a selling point for fried. Max "can't pitch into the 7th inning" Fried isn't a selling point. If that was a massive selling point, Blake Snell despite getting a Cy Young couldn't sign a massive contract, and Max Fried is no Blake Snell
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Yeah, Cole clears Fried by a good bit. Other than Game 6 of the WS where Fried was incredible, legendary game that may get his jersey retired in Atlanta. He's been quite underwhelming in the postseason. There's a reason the Yankees signed Cole quickly.
 
Joe Jimenez had knee surgery, out 8-12 months.

Free agency is three hours old, and we’ve already suffered a season ending injury. The most Braves outcome ever.
 
CJ9 said:
Joe Jimenez had knee surgery, out 8-12 months.

Free agency is three hours old, and we’ve already suffered a season ending injury. The most Braves outcome ever.
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Best case, hope hes back for July/September to ramp up for the playoffs. Certainly puts bullpen as a bigger hole with Minter most likely gone also.
 
zitothebrave said:
Any particular reason you stopped at 4 years not 5 years? How about 6 years ago?

Fried throws less innings than Cole even with Cole having some injury sisues. That's not a selling point for fried. Max "can't pitch into the 7th inning" Fried isn't a selling point. If that was a massive selling point, Blake Snell despite getting a Cy Young couldn't sign a massive contract, and Max Fried is no Blake Snell
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I used 4 years because 2020 was the COVID quarter season and 2019 was essentially Fried's rookie season. But we can use 5 or 6 years if you like. It doesn't change much.

Since 2019 Fried has 22.2 bWAR , compared to Cole's 26.5, despite Cole having 150 more IP. Certainly those extra 150 IPs are significant, but their WAR per start is nearly the same over that span. And again Fried is 3.5 years younger.
 
Am I to understand that Cole decided to Opt out, was told by the NYY "good luck" and then pulled back the opt out?
 
Tapate50 said:
Am I to understand that Cole decided to Opt out, was told by the NYY "good luck" and then pulled back the opt out?
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Yes, you understand it perfectly. And it is very odd to say the least.

Cole tried to force the Yankees hand to get the extra year at $36M, and Cashman called Boras' bluff. Faced with having to match or beat 4/144 or look like a fool, Boras went back with his tail tucked between his legs hoping to keep the deal he already had that was probably a bit of an overpay. Gotta love it.
 
Cole could probably get a little more in total dollars on the open market, but his per year value would go down considerably. A big risk for him instead of keeping the same deal
 
Enscheff said:
Yes, you understand it perfectly. And it is very odd to say the least.

Cole tried to force the Yankees hand to get the extra year at $36M, and Cashman called Boras' bluff. Faced with having to match or beat 4/144 or look like a fool, Boras went back with his tail tucked between his legs hoping to keep the deal he already had that was probably a bit of an overpay. Gotta love it.
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He’s losing his touch.
 
CyYoung31 said:
He’s losing his touch.
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Dude thinks he runs baseball player transactions as a whole, and tries to hold entire offseasons hostage with his clients refusing to sign in a reasonable amount of time. I'm glad it has backfired on him lately with more guys being forced to take horrible deals late in the winter and then struggle early the next season.

I'm all for labor getting everything they are owed from the owners, but Boras has taken it to the level where it's impossible to continue calling the owners the bad guys.
 
Enscheff said:
Yes, you understand it perfectly. And it is very odd to say the least.

Cole tried to force the Yankees hand to get the extra year at $36M, and Cashman called Boras' bluff. Faced with having to match or beat 4/144 or look like a fool, Boras went back with his tail tucked between his legs hoping to keep the deal he already had that was probably a bit of an overpay. Gotta love it.
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what a play by Cashman...

RESPECT
 
Boras already stating Soto is willing to wait until late in ST to sign the deal he's looking for. Of course he's going to make the Soto contract hold the entire off season hostage. I hope it backfires and Soto is forced to take a Correa type deal with a team like the Twins,
 
Enscheff said:
Boras already stating Soto is willing to wait until late in ST to sign the deal he's looking for. Of course he's going to make the Soto contract hold the entire off season hostage. I hope it backfires and Soto is forced to take a Correa type deal with a team like the Braves ,
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Yeah, like that
 
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