Oh Mauricio, My Mauricio

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Like several others, I've been careful to try to temper my excitement over our right-handed Aroldis Chapman. I'm beginning to get excited enough about him to begin to think some of those big things the organization saw in his future may not only be attainable, they may actually be coming sooner than even us wackos expected or hoped.

Yes, his offspeed stuff needs work, but he's much more like Chapman and Mo Rivera than anyone the Braves have had that I can personally recall. Don't get me wrong, it's certainly too early to put him in their category, but I've seen enough to think that he has that type of upside - like those guys, his ONE pitch is so good that I think he can be successful throwing nothing but fastballs until he can throw something else for strikes. The reason I would compare him to those guys instead of Kimbrel and Vizcaino is that their fastballs (impressive as they've always been) aren't quite THAT good. When Chapman was breaking in, he was a lot like Mauricio - he hadn't yet mastered a second pitch - when he got behind in counts he was able to reach back for that little bit extra that Viz and Kimbrel don't have and just say "here it is, betcha you can't catch it" and no one could. I see a lot of that in Cabrera, and think that if Roger can be convinced that they just need to call nothing other than fastballs when he's in tighter games that he could close right now. I've always been in the camp that believes MLB hitters can eventually time any fastball if they see it enough, but they haven't timed Chapman's yet, and they've now seen it for several years. Timing 96-98 is one thing - timing 102 is another story altogether IMO. You have to gear up and start SO EARLY to even make contact with it, backing off a hair and throwing a Kimbrel fastball will make hitters look silly - and it doesn't necessarily even need to ever start in the zone.

There was a sequence in one of his first couple of appearances that I keep going over in my mind that simply wasn't fair. He went 102 center-cut and the hitter just kinda rolled his eyes. Then 103 center-cut and the hitter was way late. Next, 103 center-cut and the hitter barely nicked it with the end of the bat. The last pitch was a hanging slider at 86 in the middle of the plate that Peterson caught about 2 steps in front of 2B.

Like I said, I'm really trying hard not to get the cart before the horse with him, but he makes it tougher and tougher every time I see him.
 
When Chapman was breaking in, he was a lot like Mauricio - he hadn't yet mastered a second pitch - when he got behind in counts he was able to reach back for that little bit extra that Viz and Kimbrel don't have and just say "here it is, betcha you can't catch it" and no one could.

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Chapman had a fantastic slider from the moment he came up, and he's thrown it the same amount from the moment he hit the majors till now. His control sucked at the start and got much better between 2011 and 2012 (and since then), but people have never squared up on his fastball because his slider is excellent. Mauricio will have to improve a secondary offering a good bit to be really good, no matter how good his fastball is (and it is of course fantastic).
 
5 ip 1 k... Kinda surprising for that velocity

The Ks will come as people have to start respecting something other than the fastball. Thing is, solid contact when he throws it is next to impossible, and the weak popouts are even better since they limit the number of pitches he'll have to throw until he learns to add and subtract better (or develops something else he can throw for strikes).
 
:FrediWut:

Chapman had a fantastic slider from the moment he came up, and he's thrown it the same amount from the moment he hit the majors till now. His control sucked at the start and got much better between 2011 and 2012 (and since then), but people have never squared up on his fastball because his slider is excellent. Mauricio will have to improve a secondary offering a good bit to be really good, no matter how good his fastball is (and it is of course fantastic).

This is kinda my point. It's too early to expect Chapman results yet, but it's pretty easy to see it's in there if he can develop even an average slider that he can locate.
 
the fact that he is throwing 100+ for strikes is something to be excited about. He can have one other pitch and be dominate as long as he can locate. I wouldn't mind seeing him going to Gwinnett to close down there consistently. Really work on a secondary pitch and locating.
 
I was looking at his stats this morning and was surprised by this, too. I haven't watched a game he has pitched in yet. Any ideas on why this is?

His secondary stuff isn't very good, which allows hitters to sit on the fastball. There is a reason he's never had great success in the minors, and that's been poor control and lack of a good offspeed pitch. Hopefully he can improve his slider to be an average pitch and continue to refine his control, then he'd make a very solid reliever.
 
A big controllable fastball is the best foundation to build upon. If Cabrera can establish and maintain solid control and get another offering, he could really be something. But let's all let him be a work-in-progress for a bit. I was surprised they recalled him, but the deciders must view the fastball as being ready and are willing to let him refine his secondary stuff at the big league level.
 
This is kinda my point. It's too early to expect Chapman results yet, but it's pretty easy to see it's in there if he can develop even an average slider that he can locate.

Kimbrel and Chapman are elite because they have elite secondary stuff to go along with the elite fastball. That level of results is not going to be there unless he gets much more than an average slider. He can be Mark Wohlers (minus the headcase, injuries, and sudden falloff) if he gets an average slider.
 
If I was a major league hitter I wouldn't exactly be pumped about having to step into the box facing a guy who throws over 100 mph with questionable control.
 
someone needs to teach him the splitter, it's a lot easier to control than the slider and with his velocity, he'd be unhittable with a 92 mph splitter that falls off the table.
 
You guys are getting waaaaaay ahead of yourselves. Comparing him to Chapman or Rivera? Hahahaha. He will be lucky to stick in the majors at the tail end of a bullpen.
 
:FrediWut:

Chapman had a fantastic slider from the moment he came up, and he's thrown it the same amount from the moment he hit the majors till now. His control sucked at the start and got much better between 2011 and 2012 (and since then), but people have never squared up on his fastball because his slider is excellent. Mauricio will have to improve a secondary offering a good bit to be really good, no matter how good his fastball is (and it is of course fantastic).

As for that "excellent" slider Chapman had when he started out in that 2011 season...

(23 years old) 50 IP, 3.60 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 7.4 BB/9, 1.73 K/BB

Cabrera's numbers in Mississippi before being called up:

(22 years old) 33.2 IP, 3.21 ERA, 1.248 WHIP, 5.9 BB/9, 1.59 K/BB

The point is that his fastball is dominant enough to have hope that he has that type of upside. I've seen it mentioned several times that he's looked "bored" at times and that part of the lack of development of his secondary stuff could be attributed to the fact that he just hasn't needed to focus on it - I'd think the hope is that calling him up shows him just how dominant he could be if he just had an average second pitch.
 
someone needs to teach him the splitter, it's a lot easier to control than the slider and with his velocity, he'd be unhittable with a 92 mph splitter that falls off the table.

Have wondered if the fact that Johnson's still here (and pitching well) didn't have something to do with his callup. A Johnson-like two-seamer to go with that fastball would be devastating.
 
Fact of the matter is you can't teach someone to throw 103 MPH. You can teach them how to locate and throw a slider. It's precisely why Folty will be given so many chances despite not producing much in the way of results.
 
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