Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
So I looked this up, and the HP has a dualcore, not a quadcore. So... that's a pretty big difference and makes your argument terrible.
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So I looked this up, and the HP has a dualcore, not a quadcore. So... that's a pretty big difference and makes your argument terrible.
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Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Looked this up, and you are comparing the itty-bitty Mac Mini to a tower. That doesn't even make sense.
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Sorry i copied the the wrong one. I also neglected to mention that there was a touch screen on the HP so remove the difference in processor add bonus of touch screen if wanted. I mean I could compare it to a cheaper HP with a quadcore. Or a number of other computers on the market if you choose.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What PC comes in itty bitty form? And what other Mac desktop costs under a grand? Want me to compare the Mac Pro?
Why not, lets compare the Mac pro to the HP Envy Phoenix.
Mac ro costs 3000 bucks, 3.7 GHz quad core xeon, 12 GB DDR3 ram, dual AMD300 Firepro, 256 GB flash storage
The HP costs 1550 retail, 3.7 ghz i7 quad core, 24 gigs of ram, 2 TB Sata 7200 RPM hd, Blu ray player, Nvidia GeForce GT640
Macs and PCs don't compare in costs. And again I'm not even remotely bargain hunting which is an option for a PC but not a Mac.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
So, it's a tablet-hybrid with a much lesser processor. A very useful comparison. Please go ahead and compare it to this super cheap quadcore HP all-in-one you allude to. I would, in all honesty, be happy to be wrong. I'd like to know about any super good deals.
I would also very much love to see the laptops you think are superior to MacBooks.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
That's the point... It's almost like... the form... is part of what you are paying for?
You are comparing apples to oranges and then claiming the oranges are overpriced. Apple doesn't make a discount line of towers; they have their own specific premium niches they do very well in. But being expensive isn't the same thing as being overpriced.
Well, that would be kinda pointless. The Mac Pro looks to be a pretty niche machine for high end multimedia folks, and it isn't even available for purchase yet. It hardly qualifies as part of the normal Mac line anyone here would be considering. It also isn't really a tower in any real sense, and it would be very difficult to find a comparable machine that you didn't build yourself.
This machine isn't even close to comparable. The graphics cards alone in the Mac Pro are worth almost as much as that whole HP rig. Not to mention it is still on disk storage.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Did you read what you just wrote?
So because HP gives you a computer with better specs in a different form factor than apple is not overpriced?
Think about it.
Mini PCs aren't more expensive to build. You can find a case with powersupply for 70, 50 bucks for a MB, 180 bucks for a quad core i5, 50 bucks for a graphics card, 10 bucks for a sound card, 60 bucks for 8 gigs of ram, then 100 bucks for either 2 TB 7200 RPM HD or 128 GB SSD. Bringing my PC cost up to about 520 for nearly all superior parts to the Mac Mini. Unsure about the graphics card as apple is pretty vague on the details.
Or you can buy one cheaper elsewhere.
I think 90% of people who buy computers don't care about specs. It's about the ease to use and what you can do with them.
Here's three big points from the recent Black Friday:
A) InfoScout analyzed 3,000 Target Black Friday shopping receipts and determined that the iPad Air 16GB, iPad mini 16GB and iPad Air 32GB models were the number one, two and three sellers at Target, respectively, at $479, $299 and $599. They accounted for 8.2%, 7.5% and 2.4% of Target’s sales for a total of 18.1%. When you add in other Apple products they were 22% of Target’s sales on Black Friday.
B) InfoScout analyzed 5,000 Walmart Black Friday shopping receipts , both on-line and stores to determine the top seller was the iPad mini 16GB model for $299.91. The next best selling tablet was the RCA Android tablet at $48.86 which was in seventh place.
C) For the first time ever, more people have Mac desktops on their holiday wish lists than those made by Dell, according to one analytics firm that also has Apple leading in tablets and streaming set-top boxes.
So one out of every four/five products sold at target at Black Friday was an apple product. The number one item sold at walmart on Black Friday was the entry level ipad and for the first time ever, more people want mac desktops instead of much, much cheaper alternatives. Through in china on December 18 and to quote Tim cook 'it's going to be an ipad Christmas'
Not bad for a company that makes overpriced products
Here's three big points from the recent Black Friday:
A) InfoScout analyzed 3,000 Target Black Friday shopping receipts and determined that the iPad Air 16GB, iPad mini 16GB and iPad Air 32GB models were the number one, two and three sellers at Target, respectively, at $479, $299 and $599. They accounted for 8.2%, 7.5% and 2.4% of Target’s sales for a total of 18.1%. When you add in other Apple products they were 22% of Target’s sales on Black Friday.
B) InfoScout analyzed 5,000 Walmart Black Friday shopping receipts , both on-line and stores to determine the top seller was the iPad mini 16GB model for $299.91. The next best selling tablet was the RCA Android tablet at $48.86 which was in seventh place.
C) For the first time ever, more people have Mac desktops on their holiday wish lists than those made by Dell, according to one analytics firm that also has Apple leading in tablets and streaming set-top boxes.
So one out of every four/five products sold at target at Black Friday was an apple product. The number one item sold at walmart on Black Friday was the entry level ipad and for the first time ever, more people want mac desktops instead of much, much cheaper alternatives. Through in china on December 18 and to quote Tim cook 'it's going to be an ipad Christmas'
Not bad for a company that makes overpriced products
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Why are we comparing tablets to desktops?
Pointless points get no points.
Pointless points get no points.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
If you really think a portable, small computer weighing under 3 pounds (lighter than some MacBook Airs) is the same as a huge desktop tower (i.e., form is irrelevant), then I guess that goes a long way to explaining the things you think. Are you baffled by the price difference between desktops and laptops? I mean, laptops are computers with worse specs. So overpriced!
If you are willing to build your own PC (which most people are not), then you are indeed likely to save money over not only Apple but any of the major PC manufacturers. Not sure how that's germane.
Even in this completely ass-pulled situation, you'd still have to buy a copy of Windows... so, not really that much of deal anyway.
I await your example. I'm sure it will be very enlightening and as on-point as the thing you compared the Mac Pro to.
Got dayum this has gotta be the biggest piece of pussy repellant I've ever seen.
Can we please go back to talking about your dad's porn addiction?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Who the crap carries around their desktops? Do you also carry around a monitor, mouse and keyboard as well?
Also nice logic fail with Laptop vs desktop. When the MacMini doesn't require a mouse, keyboard,a nd monitor, let me know. As it stands you're comparing 2 devices that have the same functionality. If you believe that something weighing less is worth a massive amount of money that's cool
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CPmdkvawn7sCFecRMwod5FEAtw&Item=N82E16856176041&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Mini+%2f+Booksize+Barebone+PCs-_-N82E16856176041&ef_id=UpjBSAAAALNc0Hlh:20131208003535:s
Under 500 bucks
While you bring up windows, who the hell pays for windows?
**** I'd rather have Linux 90% of the time. Or you can get windows for free with minimal effort. Or 90% of the time you can pop your own HD into it.
As far as comparing the Mac Pro I was just throwing **** out there. I could point to a number of better PCs, I was just comparing one that runs nearly everything as well except the graphics Another comparison for 2000 bucks I built a computer on iBuyPower with an i7 4770K, Liquid cooling, 16 GB of RAM NVIDEA GeForec GTX 780, 256 GB SSD, and plenty more. So for about a grand less you can get what may be a faster processor (hard to argue the advantages of 6 core vs 4) and equal or better across the line. Better Graphics, more ram, and rest of the specs are probably a wash.
People buy APple computers for a reason, cause they prefer the build quality, they prefer the OS, they like the look, whatever it may be. But being a good deal is not one of them, Apple computers are overpriced.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
For ****s another cheaper than Mac Mini one.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Revo-RL80-UR22-Desktop-Black/dp/B00CO2Z854/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1386470483&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Revo-RL80-UR22-Desktop-Black/dp/B00CO2Z854/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1386470483&sr=1-3
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
This may come as a shock to you out there in the fast-paced world of mustard and retail, but some people have a place they go called an "office." At this "office," they have access to monitors and keyboards. So they can bring their home computer and use it at the "office." In this situation, if you are on a limited budget, you can get more bang for you buck with Mac Mini than a mac laptop (or a mini PC vs a comparable laptop, I guess). That is just one simple example of how an easily portable computer is beneficial. Some people also like to travel with them and travel keyboards/mice while using TVs as monitors.
No one would carry around a desktop tower. You are right. But people do carry around Mac Minis. Even if they did not, a mini PC is highly engineered to take up no space, which is in fact something that has value. That's why they are not comparable.
Yeah, you kinda missed the point there.
Under 500 bucks... because it has a crappier processor. 1.7 GHz for the Giada vs. 2.5 GHz for the Mac Mini.
Did you not understand my original statement about comparable hardware?
People who don't have windows (i.e., those with machines built from scratch), who want windows, and who don't want to break the law?
That's great, but most people don't want Linux.
Shocking.
Maybe you should just do these things you claim to be capable of. Your "coulds" aren't turning out so reliable.
So kinda the same, except for the most important and expensive part.
Ignoring that I already admitted you can save money building your own, I'm not really inclined to take your word at this point that a crappier processor doesn't matter and that "everything else is kind of a wash." Why don't you give me something to actually look at.
Are you seriously arguing that build quality and design are worth zero dollars? You are terrible at this.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
1.9 GHz i3 processor vs. the Mac Mini's 2.5 GHz i5. Come on... YOU are the one arguing how "specs" are the end all of what makes a computer, and yet you don't even look at them!
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I don't get why you respond the way you do it takes too much time.
1. ANy job worth a damn wouldn't let a computer that's not secure hook up to their network. SO that limits your example to basically small business customers with that need which in reality is a submarket of a submarket. Great example. I happen to know that Latinos born in July also have a need for it,care to use that?
2. You cannot compare procesors simply on clock speed. Especially since overclockingthem is an option. Unfortunately we have no information readily available on which processor Apple uses in their device aside from their claimed clock speed. Which hell may be overclocked. At that, it's still 100 bucks cheaper and matches it on every other category. Is 100 bucks worth a faster processor? That's for the consumer to decide.(btw for under 100 bucks I found a faster i5 processor online, replace and sell your old one still making out)
3. You think a nyone who's interested in a Mini-PC is going to not know enough about computers to get free windows or linux? I mean I guess in your subsection of a subsection it's the case but who knows. I'll tell you what most likely the majority of folks who buy mac minis are. Folks who want a mac, but don't want to pay a grand. That's what it is and it's overpriced for that. Apple could easily make a desktop and sell it for 500 bucks, but that doesn't fit their branding.
4. You do know what the AMD Fire Pro is right? It's a mac branded processor. Basically they take 2 W5000 and make them work together. So 2 400 something dollar cards does not make an amazing computer. Especially since even with their combined mights many NVIDEA cards run faster.Such as the listed 780.
5. That was not a computer I would build. IT's a custom built computer. I know this is a foreign concept to Mac users because they're used to choosing only which overpriced HD or RAM upgrade they want to do and which Apple accessories they want to pay more for. But you can go to many places, usually places that build PCs, and custom taylor a computer. That's what I did and that company would ship that computer to me.
From what I've been able to research in quad vs hex core, the biggest hex advantage is for things like video editing adn audio production, but knowing real live people who work in those fields, and one who went to a demo of various computers for this software program, the difference isn't that large. A fast quad core for everyday usage is more important than a slower hex by most accounts. Not to say there isn't an advantage to the hex, but there's a reason why they're not out in most computers yet.
As far as more options, I haven't posted more because I'm lazy and i'd expect you to do a modicum of research into your statements.
But look up Alienware Aurora, hex core processor, 256 GB SSD+1TB HD, 16 GB Ram GeForce 780, all for 2400 bucks fromdell. That's Alienware as well, a brand recognized by nearly all gamers are being overpriced. I went on HP anc custom build a hex core computer, with all kinds of goodies for 2600. Minor research you'd find that you can easily get a better PC than Mac Pro for several hundred less.
6. There is something to be said about build quality but it's not a 20% markup. We see it in iPhones, apple builds a quality device but the actual cost to make isn't that much if at all higher to make than a lower quality phone but you're paying way more. I'm guessing the slightly more expensive build of the Mac is maybe 10-20 per unit max. Not the several hundred they're usually priced at differently than PCs.
1. ANy job worth a damn wouldn't let a computer that's not secure hook up to their network. SO that limits your example to basically small business customers with that need which in reality is a submarket of a submarket. Great example. I happen to know that Latinos born in July also have a need for it,care to use that?
2. You cannot compare procesors simply on clock speed. Especially since overclockingthem is an option. Unfortunately we have no information readily available on which processor Apple uses in their device aside from their claimed clock speed. Which hell may be overclocked. At that, it's still 100 bucks cheaper and matches it on every other category. Is 100 bucks worth a faster processor? That's for the consumer to decide.(btw for under 100 bucks I found a faster i5 processor online, replace and sell your old one still making out)
3. You think a nyone who's interested in a Mini-PC is going to not know enough about computers to get free windows or linux? I mean I guess in your subsection of a subsection it's the case but who knows. I'll tell you what most likely the majority of folks who buy mac minis are. Folks who want a mac, but don't want to pay a grand. That's what it is and it's overpriced for that. Apple could easily make a desktop and sell it for 500 bucks, but that doesn't fit their branding.
4. You do know what the AMD Fire Pro is right? It's a mac branded processor. Basically they take 2 W5000 and make them work together. So 2 400 something dollar cards does not make an amazing computer. Especially since even with their combined mights many NVIDEA cards run faster.Such as the listed 780.
5. That was not a computer I would build. IT's a custom built computer. I know this is a foreign concept to Mac users because they're used to choosing only which overpriced HD or RAM upgrade they want to do and which Apple accessories they want to pay more for. But you can go to many places, usually places that build PCs, and custom taylor a computer. That's what I did and that company would ship that computer to me.
From what I've been able to research in quad vs hex core, the biggest hex advantage is for things like video editing adn audio production, but knowing real live people who work in those fields, and one who went to a demo of various computers for this software program, the difference isn't that large. A fast quad core for everyday usage is more important than a slower hex by most accounts. Not to say there isn't an advantage to the hex, but there's a reason why they're not out in most computers yet.
As far as more options, I haven't posted more because I'm lazy and i'd expect you to do a modicum of research into your statements.
But look up Alienware Aurora, hex core processor, 256 GB SSD+1TB HD, 16 GB Ram GeForce 780, all for 2400 bucks fromdell. That's Alienware as well, a brand recognized by nearly all gamers are being overpriced. I went on HP anc custom build a hex core computer, with all kinds of goodies for 2600. Minor research you'd find that you can easily get a better PC than Mac Pro for several hundred less.
6. There is something to be said about build quality but it's not a 20% markup. We see it in iPhones, apple builds a quality device but the actual cost to make isn't that much if at all higher to make than a lower quality phone but you're paying way more. I'm guessing the slightly more expensive build of the Mac is maybe 10-20 per unit max. Not the several hundred they're usually priced at differently than PCs.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Well, it's now official, you guys can now carry on long drawn out conversations disagreeing on ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and what's this about computers causing problems for us old people???
Oh and what's this about computers causing problems for us old people???
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Hawk you sound shocked. I could argue with meta about the detailed smell of farts. He's a heck of an internet arguer.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Nah, I don't have the energy to get shocked anymore.
That said you guys are starting to remind me of Congress. You don't really have anything important to do so you spend your time and energy arguing about questions with no correct answers. I guess I can't throw rocks, I used to do that too. As smart as you guys are though why don't you put your heads together and solve some REAL problems??
You know, just axing...