Olivera

Chico said:
I guess I'm more in the middle then. I think all of those players are good, but I also see how they didn't fit into our plans or that we sold high on them. Add Peraza to that as well. I like him, but I think we sold high on him as well.
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And that's all fine too. Opinions are just that, opinions. Some are wrong, some are right. I usually odn't get pissed at people's opinions, it's when they say stuff like "I can think of 60 pitchers easily better than Wood" that I'll get annoyed. You can be in the middle or like this trade and not belittle the talent we gave up.

Think of it like the Jason Heyward trade. I thought we could get more. I knew from a logic standpoint we won the trade cause there was basically no way that Shelby Miller in 5 years or 4 years however long we have him can't beat Jason this year. I'm ignoring the pick aspect of the trade, because that's a lottery ticket. COuld be gold (Mike Trout) or could be nothing. And I'm ignoring Jenkins for the same reason.

But I thought we should be getting more for Jason. Of course I thought we'd "win" the trade. Sellers almost always "win" the trade because you're trading someone with a few years or one or 2 years left and getting someone back with several years left. It's the way the system works. But I thought we could have either gotten a better prospect than Jenkins or another prospect like Piscotty or Grichuk.

That was my gripe, I felt we could have gotten more, didn't think it was bad trade per se. Logically sound and should help the team long term.

I think the Wood+Peraza for Olivera trade will be a bad trade.

Well this is how I really see the trade.

Wood+Johnsonfor Olivera and Co- Peraza IMO was likely in there so the Dodgers would eat Arroyo's contract. Maybe I'm wrong in reading it that way, but I wouldn't see that as being hard to swallow as I don't think the Dodgers owuld consider Johnson or Avilan worth eating arroyo's salary. I figure Avilan goes for the competitive balance pick. Maybe that's factored into Peraza.

There was a massive amount of moving parts in that trade so properly assessing how we did will never be easy. We moved a lot of parts, we took on a lot of parts. Odds are Bird and Rodriguez don't amount to much. Odds are Wood is a good pitcher and Peraza is at least an above replacement level MIF. That's a lot to give up for a guy with as many question marks as Olivera and the salary of Arroyo. I don't know, lots of questions, lots of things I don't like. I don't like trading young guys for old guys when you're a bad team either.

If you told me we traded Wood and Peraza for a 3B, my mind would think we went after Todd Frazier.
 
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