Oppression

Hawk said:
I like it here. I live smack-dab off the Marin side of the GGB, so I'm not very 'deep' into the county. I've been out to visit Fairfax and Russian River and some of the other contemporary hippie enclaves, but it does seem that the area, as a whole, is almost post-gentrification now. Fairfax, for example, seems counter-culture for show. The further north you push (San Rafael, Novato, up to Rohnert Park and Santa Rosa) is much more traditionally suburban. Traditionally suburban for California, that is.

My cousin lives in Oakland (Lake Merritt) and I find that area extremely nice, although I don't think I could ever live in the East Bay. I work in the city and I've contemplated moving down there when my lease is up, although it would almost surely mean giving up my car and completely changing the way I live. I do like getting away from it all when I come home. Marin is really quiet.
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I lived near Lake Merritt for four years. Really liked it. A couple places to visit recommendations. The town of Bolinas. Also Holdrege Wines in Healdsburg. Holdredge was my great find from my wino days. Although unfortunately some influential wine critics have found him since, with the as expected effect on prices.
 
Oppressed isn't the right word. White people are discriminated against in some ways. Just because other groups might be discriminated against more does not mean we should turn a blind eye to other discrimination. I think we are always going to be more sensitive to discrimination against our own groups. It is possible to care about discrimination against everyone. It's called being Libertarian. The individual is the smallest minority.
 
Hawk said:
Asking for a "real-life" example is kind of a cop out, because there's one that was referenced at the outset of sturg's socratic endeavor and you just simply ignored it.
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I will cop to not reading sturg's link. I need a breather from his, er, socratic flogging of a few hobbyhorses that are regularly addressed in a substantial fashion, and his amnesia about same.
 
And, for the sake of posterity, let's note that I was addressing a post about gun violence in a thread about school shootings, and I posed a couple of questions that were relevant to the issue and unaddressed to the point sturg was making. Instead of following that thread, he pivoted to why I was willing to post about gun violence but not chase headlong after the wholly unrelated stick that he chucked out there...and Hawk piled on. So, eyeroll emoji. If you're going to be the debate police, at least work a little harder.
 
I thought it was fun how you got butt hurt about the moronic tweet -(that you were quick to defend) but keep your mouth shut about just about everything else that don't support your causes.

I miss the rational julio. Rip
 
I intervened because I am the one who posted the original link.

It’s a situation that’s quite near and dear to me.

It’s not a hypothetical - and your thoughts would be appreciated on the matter, as opposed to this little hidden ball exercise you’ve got going on.
 
sturg33 said:
Julio is fine with discrimination as long as it's a white male.

I don't think it's that complicated
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I’ve always wondered if the daughter of 57, runnin etc had the dream job of her life right in front of her but she didn’t get it because the company had to hire a less qualified minority, if they really wouldn’t think it’s bull****. I think they would. They wouldn’t admit it in here but they’d have a problem with it.
 
Krgrecw said:
I’ve always wondered if the daughter of 57, runnin etc had the dream job of her life right in front of her but she didn’t get it because the company had to hire a less qualified minority, if they really wouldn’t think it’s bull****. I think they would. They wouldn’t admit it in here but they’d have a problem with it.
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Pretty sure Julio's kids are biracial (he's mentioned it here previously) and Runnin lives in Japan.

No need to project your own frustrations onto others.
 
Hawk said:
I intervened because I am the one who posted the original link.

It’s a situation that’s quite near and dear to me.

It’s not a hypothetical - and your thoughts would be appreciated on the matter, as opposed to this little hidden ball exercise you’ve got going on.
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I'm not even sure what link we're talking about now. If you'll point me towards it I'll give it the old college try.
 
nsacpi said:
fortunately my genetic mix allows me to claim any number of identities...which is why I find some of things people get obsessed about amusing and absurd...but seriously I think it is a mistake for our society to give weight to race and ethnicity on matters such as employment and School admissions...i do think some affirmative action should be given to people from disadvantaged backgrounds including poor white kids
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Most all top science students HS are children of immigrants. The Honey Booboos won't even make America average.
 
Julio3000 said:
I'm not even sure what link we're talking about now. If you'll point me towards it I'll give it the old college try.
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Google-bro says HR told him to “purge” specifically all white and Asian candidates from the ATS.

Pretend the scenario is accurate, as described.

Not interested in legal oversight/remedies.

Go.
 
Runnin said:
Most all top science students HS are children of immigrants. The Honey Booboos won't even make America average.
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yeah I know...my own children are upholding this traditiion...the eldest is in a PhD program at an Ivy League University
 
To me the idea of Affirmative Action comes down to theory vs. reality. In theory, businesses would take the most qualified candidate regardless of race or background and AA wouldn't be necessary. However, in reality there are too many implicit biases at play that can lead to discrimination. Due to this, I feel AA is a societal good to level the playing field.
 
Hawk said:
Google-bro says HR told him to “purge” specifically all white and Asian candidates from the ATS.

Pretend the scenario is accurate, as described.

Not interested in legal oversight/remedies.

Go.
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With that, and only that, to go on--and stipulated as correct--it sounds like highly questionable policy and a breakdown in transparency.

This could be mitigated somewhat by context, but that's not knowable within the parameters of the example.

I'm not sure about the proscription of discussing legal oversight/remedies. Seems that's the "law" part of the lawsuit. I think that if you (I don't mean you, specifically) are angling for a condemnation of discriminatory hiring policy in a very narrow sense, you do you a disservice if you don't consider the broader societal context that engenders affirmative action measures and the body of law that's adjudicated them over the years.
 
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