O's and Royals showing interest in Nick the Stick

[Carp]

I fail to see how a 21 pt wrc+ is similar. Gross numbers are inflated for Inciarte b/c of Dbacks park. Fangraphs has Incriarte at 3.3 WAR and Heyward at 6. Not similar.

Inciarte's 2015 wrc+ was 100. Heyward's 2014 was 110. So not an extreme difference there.

 

[Heyward]

Not at all... Swanson, Inciarte, and Blair is a much better package than Soler and Baez

I disagree.

Baez would start at 2nd or SS right away and Soler in LF.

We have plenty of good pitching prospects.

 

[Russ2dollas]

Inciarte's 2015 wrc+ was 100. Heyward's 2014 was 110. So not an extreme difference there.

not by number but by degree. to use fangraphs as an example that is essentially the difference between an avg hitter and an above average hitter.

 

[Heyward]

That says Soler or Baez. Not both.

Yep, Chicago isnt putting Baez AND Soler in the same deal, if they did, both would be in Atlanta already.

 

[Enscheff]

Inciarte's 2015 wrc+ was 100. Heyward's 2014 was 110. So not an extreme difference there.

Guys, just stop. Inciarte is nowhere near the player Heyward is, was, or will be.

Comparing Heyward's worst non-injured season to Inciarte's league average sophomore performance is laughable. Inciarte will likely never touch a wrc+ of 110, so let's just drop it.

Inciarte's value comes from defense and being cheap. He is not a 5 win player, no matter what any metric somehow calculated, and he will be lucky to settle in as a 2-3 WAR guy going forward. If some team like the Cubs would be willing to give up a potential impact bat for him, I think the Johns would be crazy not to make the deal.

 

[smootness]

Guys, just stop. Inciarte is nowhere near the player Heyward is, was, or will be.

Comparing Heyward's worst non-injured season to Inciarte's league average sophomore performance is laughable. Inciarte will likely never touch a wrc+ of 110, so let's just drop it.

Inciarte's value comes from defense and being cheap. He is not a 5 win player, no matter what any metric somehow calculated, and he will be lucky to settle in as a 2-3 WAR guy going forward. If some team like the Cubs would be willing to give up a potential impact bat for him, I think the Johns would be crazy not to make the deal.

This is a lot of absolutes from someone who doesn't really know. I mean, Inciarte could be worth 5 wins. I tend to think BR's value of him was overstated by a little, but at the same time, I'll go with a formula that's proven to actually be a pretty good indicator in the past over someone just saying that based off a gut feeling.

And Inciarte can improve, I don't know why people think that can't happen. He OPS'd over .800 as a 21-year-old in A+ and in an admittedly small sample in AAA as a 23-year-old. I don't think he's ever going to be much more offensively than he has been, but it's not out of the question he reaches a 110 wRC+.

 

[buck75]

Was this thread about Markakis or Swisher or something else?

 

[Heyward]

Was this thread about Markakis or Swisher or something else?

Markakis turned into something else

 

[Julio3000]

Was this thread about Markakis or Swisher or something else?

Such is the power that Jason Heyward wields. This thread was about the guy who replaced Jason Heyward, and turned into a thread about the guy who was traded for the guy who was traded for Jason Heyward and the guy who is being replaced by Jason Heyward.

 

[buck75]

Markakis turned into something else

I wish that he has morphed into Ender. Then we could possibly trade one of them.

 

[buck75]

Such is the power that Jason Heyward wields. This thread was about the guy who replaced Jason Heyward, and turned into a thread about the guy who was traded for the guy who was traded for Jason Heyward and the guy who is being replaced by Jason Heyward.

I guess I get it.