Our New Relievers

Enscheff said:
The new BP arms have each faced about 20 whole batters with the Braves...or roughly 1 start for a SP.

This is moronically reactionary, even for this board...
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My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.
 
striker42 said:
My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.
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Agreed. I should have been more clear about what I meant by "this".
 
striker42 said:
My point in starting this thread was to show how absolutely absurd our new relievers BABIP luck has been. These guys are nowhere near as bad as their results have been since they got here. The number of balls finding grass has been unsustainable.
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Sure they are going to be better than a 10+ ERA lol. Hopefully the regression will come at the right time. Not sure if giving up prospects was worth 3 bullpen arms that will end up with a ~4.00 combined ERA, even if the prospects werent considered much. We will all sing a different tune if they can get outs in the playoffs. Thats kinda just the nature of the beast, its unfair but....
 
Bravesfan said:
Sure they are going to be better than a 10+ ERA lol. Hopefully the regression will come at the right time. Not sure if giving up prospects was worth 3 bullpen arms that will end up with a ~4.00 combined ERA, even if the prospects werent considered much. We will all sing a different tune if they can get outs in the playoffs. Thats kinda just the nature of the beast, its unfair but....
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Ultimately the value of adding those guys is almost exclusively tied to their postseason performance. Adding them to this team didn’t really move the Braves division winning odds which is already quite high.
 
Through the first 20 combined appearances, their combined ERA is 11.74, WHIP 2.28. Can only get better from here, can't possibly get any worse.
 
Current BABIP's as Braves:

Greene- .579
Melancon- .526
Martin- .467

This is still absolutely ridiculous. Over half the balls put in play against these guys are finding grass.
 
striker42 said:
Current BABIP's as Braves:

Greene- .579
Melancon- .526
Martin- .467

This is still absolutely ridiculous. Over half the balls put in play against these guys are finding grass.
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I find it encouraging that we're still winning games despite this. Once they turn it around, we'll be in very good shape.
 
For the season BABIP against our pitchers is .305.

Meanwhile, for the season our hitters have a BABIP of .309.

BABIP is not something to worry about. It is something to look at to understand if short-term fluctuations in results are just that or symptoms of something that is real and needs addressing.
 
The starting pitching and offense has been incredible. If we can get the pen even somewhat stable then we can roll. But as soon as that happens the offense and/or starters will crap the bed
 
Before this disappears into the ether some updated numbers on the news guys as Braves:

Melancon 12.3 K rate, 1.2 BB rate, .458 BABIP, 0.90 FIP, 1.44 xFIP
Martin 12.2, 1.4, .389, 2.92, 2.46
Greene 9.8, 2.5, .500, 5.40, 3.76
 
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nsacpi said:
Before this disappears into the ether some updated numbers on the news guys as Braves:

Melancon 12.3% K rate, 1.2% BB rate, .458 BABIP, 0.90 FIP, 1.44 xFIP
Martin 12.2%, 1.4%, .389, 2.92, 2.46
Greene 9.8%, 2.5%, .500, 5.40, 3.76
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They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
 
jpx7 said:
They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
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Unless you're Donnie Veal, BABIP always normalizes. The K and BB rates have really been outstanding from all three.
 
jpx7 said:
They are who we thought they were—sort of, with Melancon better than expected thus far, and Greene a lot worse by fip, but about right by xfip. Hopefully the final two games of the Dodgers series constitute signs of babip normalisation in progress.
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The K rates are considerably worse than their season and career points, but on the bright side they aren't walking people.
 
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