Southcack77
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the funniest damn thing about this board is how much it likes Frank Wren. Seriously guys, it is entertaining.
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nsacpi
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Lots of reasons to like him: Acuna, Albies, Camargo, Wood, Gattis, Simmons.
It's just the counter to how much posters like thethe blasted Wren when he was fired and immediately sang the praises of Hart/Coppy. Looking back since 2007 I can name 3 GM's of the Braves worse than Wren.
nsacpi
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Not just posters. It was rather unseemly the way JS, Coppy and Hart tap danced on his grave after he was fired. But...in the end karmic justice prevailed. I'm just glad the smugness and arrogance of the Braves Way gold standard franchise boys is behind us.
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This.
The whole "love him when he's here, hate him when he's gone" narrative this board takes is hilarious.
Almost as hilarious as the constant overreactions to every good/bad game/week.
Southcack77
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Hate to see someone being unseemly. That's an affront to thuh personal honoh.
Wren wasn't very good.
Coppy wasn't very good.
There is no real reason to believe Anthopolous is any good thus far. I guess it's unfair to judge.
JS, HOF baby.
Possible but doubtful. The current two best players on the Braves are Wren moves. The two best players over the next 6 years are likely Wren moves too.
Freeman is a Wren move? He didn't draft him. Any GM signs Freeman to a market deal.
I've stated my stance on the international guys.
Any GM signs Freeman to that deal after one great season? Frank Wren extended Freeman. That's a fact you are going to have to deal with.
nsacpi
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does the GM who extented Freeman get any points for that?
certainly GMs should be dinged for bad contracts...Wren deserves criticism for guys like Uggla and Lowe...he gets credit for Freeman's contract...and Freeman is likely going to generate value way above what his contract pays him
but in terms of amateur talent signed during tenure, the list under Wren is very impressive: Acuna, Albies, Camargo, Simmons, Wood, Gattis. Value generated by this group in the six year period players remain under team control is going to be enormous.
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Southcack77
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The fact that some of those players are good doesn't really establish that Frank Wren was. I'd certainly hope that a GM would have done more good than that in player development over 7 years, but he didn't get shut out, I guess.
He weren't good. It wasn't getting good. It were bad.
Southcack77
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He doesn't. Getting rid of assets is pretty easy, though I don't think they were all busts.
I don't understand why having decent assets that can be cashed deserves a whole lot of credit when the team he left was a losing one, with no obvious future of winning.
Congrats on not completely screwing up your job?
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It's OVER 5,000!
Wren was extending anyone he could get to sign a contract, Chris BABIP Johnson included. Broken clock, twice a day, etc.
Southcack77
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Melvin Upton.
Any GM would sign him to a market value deal
signing an already good player to a market value deal? i mean, i guess? the money had to go somewhere. i do wonder what we could've done with the money he wasted on uggla, KK, BABIP, lowe, beej, etc...that's a lot of cake.
remove the amateur guys wren had almost nothing to do with and that list isn't that impressive. especially when you weigh it against 1st round picks that were often not just bad, but truly awful.