FG downgraded Waters from a 55 to a 50 recently.
not saying I disagree with what you said, just found it interesting.
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FG downgraded Waters from a 55 to a 50 recently.
not saying I disagree with what you said, just found it interesting.
NYCBrave
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I do wonder though if prospecting is more of an exact science now though. With so much access to data and analytics, wonder if there are trends which make it easier to identify who will have success at the majors. Sure it will never be perfect, but might be more easy to identify than just 10 years ago.
Sure Waters has holes, but I'm afraid he's one of those kids that you regret trading for a long time if you do. He's got enough swagger to rub some people the wrong way, but all stars have a bit of that - it's hard to be better than everyone you're playing against and not know it. It's pretty easy to see that he's more confident than cocky. This is from his last interview with Mayo (last week)...
Waters, currently at the Braves’ alternate training site at Coolray Field in Lawrenceville, Ga., is waiting for his turn to contribute to that goal. And after reaching Triple-A in 2019 at age 20, he’s not far off. It’s been a bit of a surreal existence for Waters, like so many players, without real games to play and no real sense of how to measure improvement. It’s compounded by the fact that Waters is at home, where he grew up, but he’s mostly going to the park for his workouts and then back home.
“It’s definitely tough,” Waters said. “The thought of having a summer where you’re not actually playing in games is different. At the same time, it’s nice to have a little bit of the reset button. This time has allowed me to continue to work on things I’ve needed to work on. There’s no secret, there’s definitely weaknesses in my game that needed improvement. One of the positives I can find out of this time where we’re not playing is just being able to really focus on those weaknesses and turn them into strengths.”
Key among those is Waters’ tendency to swing and miss. He’s hit at every level, with a .298/.354/.461 line in his Minor League career, but he’s also struck out in more than 26 percent of his plate appearances. In 2019, that rose to 28.6 percent, and he walked only 6.8 percent of the time (7 percent in his career). The stoppage in play has really allowed him to focus on this part of his game.
“I’m working on learning how to hit with a two-strike approach, just to cut down on some of the K’s,” Waters said. “With my speed and some of the other tools I have to offer, I feel a higher ball-in-play rate might also help my average and help a bunch of different things in the statistical categories.”
https://www.mlb.com/braves/news/drew-waters-next-in-line-of-braves-prospects.
Waters, currently at the Braves’ alternate training site at Coolray Field in Lawrenceville, Ga., is waiting for his turn to contribute to that goal. And after reaching Triple-A in 2019 at age 20, he’s not far off. It’s been a bit of a surreal existence for Waters, like so many players, without real games to play and no real sense of how to measure improvement. It’s compounded by the fact that Waters is at home, where he grew up, but he’s mostly going to the park for his workouts and then back home.
“It’s definitely tough,” Waters said. “The thought of having a summer where you’re not actually playing in games is different. At the same time, it’s nice to have a little bit of the reset button. This time has allowed me to continue to work on things I’ve needed to work on. There’s no secret, there’s definitely weaknesses in my game that needed improvement. One of the positives I can find out of this time where we’re not playing is just being able to really focus on those weaknesses and turn them into strengths.”
Key among those is Waters’ tendency to swing and miss. He’s hit at every level, with a .298/.354/.461 line in his Minor League career, but he’s also struck out in more than 26 percent of his plate appearances. In 2019, that rose to 28.6 percent, and he walked only 6.8 percent of the time (7 percent in his career). The stoppage in play has really allowed him to focus on this part of his game.
“I’m working on learning how to hit with a two-strike approach, just to cut down on some of the K’s,” Waters said. “With my speed and some of the other tools I have to offer, I feel a higher ball-in-play rate might also help my average and help a bunch of different things in the statistical categories.”
https://www.mlb.com/braves/news/drew-waters-next-in-line-of-braves-prospects.
Tapate50
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Hmm their Jan 21 prospect update he was a 55 and we have had no baseball since.
*shrug* yeah idk, he's down to a 50. i agree it's sorta strange to change a guys outlook when he hasn't played since last grading.
Again, don't expect any big trades from any team this year. Half the teams are making the playoffs. There are only 4-5 teams that are clearly out of contention. And teams can't properly scout any prospects worth a damn unless they've spent time in the majors this year.
Biggest trade we see might involve Touki or Newk at most, imo.
And I think it's quite obvious Pache isn't being traded.
Biggest trade we see might involve Touki or Newk at most, imo.
And I think it's quite obvious Pache isn't being traded.
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Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I’ll be honest and say I’ve never seen waters live.
Based on what I’ve read I don’t want him or pache to move. I don’t think we are landing a stud of free agent.
Based on ppl that have seen him it seems like everyone thinks waters will hit and play at least avg defense. Still super young and frame is not filled out.
I also do not trust lance lynn.
Based on what I’ve read I don’t want him or pache to move. I don’t think we are landing a stud of free agent.
Based on ppl that have seen him it seems like everyone thinks waters will hit and play at least avg defense. Still super young and frame is not filled out.
I also do not trust lance lynn.
Southcack77
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I'm not gonna crush a 20 year old for a rough 100 plate appearances his first time in AAA. Particularly when the rough spot was actually holding his own.
He's a good prospect with a number of different paths he could take.
It wouldn't shock me at all if he had a better career than Pache. I'd trade either for something really nice and hold on to them if I couldn't get it.
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Not sure how you see Lynn. Basically had one semi-bad year in his career, he's one of the strange guys who has actually picked up ticks in velocity, and he's a metronome for getting to 100 pitches.
He's not really a #1, but you wouldn't feel bad starting him in a playoff game and he's as good a bet as there is to spare the Braves poor bullpen.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I’m just not paying waters or pache for him. Nor would I move a catcher. If that means I don’t get him, I’m ok with that.
Waters is a very good prospect. Very high ceiling. Could be a star if things come together. Also very risky profile if he can’t cut down on K rate.
Pache is just a safer bet because of the assumed elite D in CF. He’s also started to show enough improvement with the bat to lead you to believe league average with it is at minimum what he will be.
Pache is just a safer bet because of the assumed elite D in CF. He’s also started to show enough improvement with the bat to lead you to believe league average with it is at minimum what he will be.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Any pitcher you get this year is literally 5-6 regular season starts plus playoffs.
Season could be canceled for social justice or COVID tomorrow. I'm not giving up a Waters this year.
Future control is great too. But you still have uncertainty next year about the virus and labor. The 2022 season is likely short due to work stoppage.
If I'm AA i'm working around the margins and getting upgrades for cheap. It's sad, but getting a 1 WAR pitcher is an upgrade right now.
I'd look hard at Seager if he's available for just taking on his money. Maybe to move money you can move folty and inciarte. If you get Seager you can think you have a good chance to bash your way out of a couple bullpen games in the playoffs.