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acesfull86 said:
"Semi-automatic" encompasses almost every gun on the market. So when you say "no one is saying ban ALL guns" that basically IS what you're proposing. Heavily tax them...so basically keep them exclusive to the wealthy and people of means? My legislative definition would be fully automatic, which have already been banned for decades, so maybe I'm not the person to ask either. Then again, I think the main issue in the San Bernardino story is radicalized Muslims carrying out a terrorist attack on American soil, not "gun control."
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I'm largely in agreement. I personally am a fan of selective banning.

For example, 2 semi automatic weapons, AR-15 and Sig P226. I have no problem with the Sig P226 being legal. I have a problem with an AR-15 being legal. AR-15 is essentially a military weapon, it's clip can hold upwards to 100 rounds depending on the model (I fully admit I'm not an expert, going by what I'm readily able to find online) where the Sig is limited to about 20. Is 20 excessive? Yes. But I'm willing to meet the gun lobby in the middle because they're obviously going nowhere.

I think the issue is that we need to punish gun crimes. We need to make crimes with a firearm (even if it's just threatening) carry minimum sentences with no plea deals.
 
sturg33 said:
so just to be clear, goldy & 57 seems to have a belief of an epidemic in this country when it completely flies in the face of facts and data

almost like climate change dissenters or something
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even if it's down 50% from 30 years ago

it's a huge problem in this country

and it is absurd to say "Well, these mass shootings and shootings are down from the past so, we don't need to do anything else". that just isn't acceptable
 
zitothebrave said:
I think the issue is that we need to punish gun crimes. We need to make crimes with a firearm (even if it's just threatening) carry minimum sentences with no plea deals.
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Agreed on this in principle. When you're numbering guns in circulation in the hundreds of millions, I think you're well past the point where gun control could have a significant impact. So I think part of what we should do is raise the stakes for ownership. You want to own guns, fine, it's your right, but the consequences for negligence, not just crime, are going to be tremendous. Personal responsibility.

(Maybe we can make room in the criminal justice system by letting go those who are only in it because they chose to get high...)
 
goldfly said:
Fine, I will compromise

all guns are legal

Every bullet is $1,000 then though
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Jeez...I thought you and 57 were the most egalitarian posters on here...for a couple of guys most concerned with growing inequality in America, you're both going all in to make sure guns are only available to the top 1%.
 
actually I don't see any purpose in any % to have them !

But living in the real world and figuring any sort of reform / regulation will be better than none, half loaf better than no loaf, it it stands to reason my position will have to be compromised

I will admit the idea of the $1000 bullet I got from Chris Rock.
Not that clever on this end
 
acesfull86 said:
Jeez...I thought you and 57 were the most egalitarian posters on here...for a couple of guys most concerned with growing inequality in America, you're both going all in to make sure guns are only available to the top 1%.
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i said i am willing to compromise

how much should the bullets cost? 100k? 500k? 1 million?

i am down to price every one out if you are
 
acesfull86 said:
Agreed on this in principle. When you're numbering guns in circulation in the hundreds of millions, I think you're well past the point where gun control could have a significant impact. So I think part of what we should do is raise the stakes for ownership. You want to own guns, fine, it's your right, but the consequences for negligence, not just crime, are going to be tremendous. Personal responsibility.

(Maybe we can make room in the criminal justice system by letting go those who are only in it because they chose to get high...)
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It's the one area where I agree with the NRA (if it is still their stance). If you commit a crime with a gun--even if the gun is used only as a threat--you have a stricter sentence and it's a mandatory sentence. No leeway for the judge.
 
goldfly said:
i said i am willing to compromise

how much should the bullets cost? 100k? 500k? 1 million?

i am down to price every one out if you are
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It's not how I would approach the problem.

I don't think you should need to sell your Maserati to finance a deer hunting on a Saturday morning.

Artificially raising ammo prices through taxation, similar to outlawing more and more guns, serves to punish the overwhelming number of law abiding gun owners while creating a black market for the law breakers.
 
acesfull86 said:
It's not how I would approach the problem.

I don't think you should need to sell your Maserati to finance a deer hunting on a Saturday morning.

Artificially raising ammo prices through taxation, similar to outlawing more and more guns, serves to punish the overwhelming number of law abiding gun owners while creating a black market for the law breakers.
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Pretty sure we could figure a way to sell bullets at a smaller cost to people to go deer hunting

Would require a proper checking of facts and registering to do so etc but I am sure we could find a compromise so you can keep your car to get your own deer meat
 
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57 reminds me of my 60 year old uncle who recently learned of the Facebook casino games and now every time I check my notifications it's filled with slot game requests. With 57, it's not casino games, it's snarky liberal memes.
 
No, not really.

There are varieties of Buddhism, for instance, that are atheistic. They are still religions.

Western secular humanism is often atheistic, yet it most certainly is a a form of religion.

The notion that only formal theistic or polytheistic faiths are religions is just the refuge for those who want to self-righteously elevate themselves over those they want to denigrate or despise or disdain.
 
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