AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Okay, that is funny. Nice.
Parkland School Shooting
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Okay, that is funny. Nice.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I have family that goes to MCHS in Kentucky. I worked with parents that had children who went to Heath High School shooting. The first we believe was bullying, the latter, the same and the boy came from rich family. Here in Eau Claire, bullying is not tolerated at all to the point that parents would be called out (shaming)and made known to everyone in the city.
I believe that if your child or know anything that would cause something you need to tell someone. They did in this case and ignored it and society paid the price. This is the fault of the police, the FBI and anyone in charge. They arrested the adult who allowed this individual to do this, good, we need more responses like this.
No person under 21 should be allowed to purchase weapons.
I could go off on the tangent and say that preventing gun sales would help, it won't, look at my birth city, Chicago. Strictest gun laws in the country. Yeah, that is what I thought, not stopping the violence.
This is an American problem with our society and mentality, not the NRA. Europe do not have stores that allow purchases of guns, but if you want one, you can get one illegally quite easily. The main continent it is much easier than British Isles. We could adopt their system but good luck in getting everyone on signing off because the mental/psychological part will be hard to get pass since we'd abandoned them.
I believe that if your child or know anything that would cause something you need to tell someone. They did in this case and ignored it and society paid the price. This is the fault of the police, the FBI and anyone in charge. They arrested the adult who allowed this individual to do this, good, we need more responses like this.
No person under 21 should be allowed to purchase weapons.
I could go off on the tangent and say that preventing gun sales would help, it won't, look at my birth city, Chicago. Strictest gun laws in the country. Yeah, that is what I thought, not stopping the violence.
This is an American problem with our society and mentality, not the NRA. Europe do not have stores that allow purchases of guns, but if you want one, you can get one illegally quite easily. The main continent it is much easier than British Isles. We could adopt their system but good luck in getting everyone on signing off because the mental/psychological part will be hard to get pass since we'd abandoned them.
Fake news. One of those '19' school shoots was at a local college here where a gun was accidentally discharged.
Anything to push a narrative for gun confiscation.
sturg33
I
Never heard back on this
But more important how would any of these reforms stop any of these shootings. Types and variation of these guns have been available for decades. The phenomenon of mass shootings is a relatively recent change. Its not the guns that are the problem and until everyone realizes that we will never find a solution.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Where angels fear to tread...
So much in this story. Family disintegration, governmental failure (local and national), mental health, role of entertainment, ease of getting weapons, politicians being politicians, lobbying groups doing what they do, sinful hearts. The size of the problem shouldn't deter seeking to figure out broad and specific solutions. The magistrate has a responsibility to deter sin/evil. Social institutions like family and church have a responsibility to seek to reach the heart. And we all probably ought to look into the mirror and see how we are contributing to the problem...
So much in this story. Family disintegration, governmental failure (local and national), mental health, role of entertainment, ease of getting weapons, politicians being politicians, lobbying groups doing what they do, sinful hearts. The size of the problem shouldn't deter seeking to figure out broad and specific solutions. The magistrate has a responsibility to deter sin/evil. Social institutions like family and church have a responsibility to seek to reach the heart. And we all probably ought to look into the mirror and see how we are contributing to the problem...
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
That's misleading in several ways. It's not even apples to oranges. It's, like, one apple to a bunch of asparagus.
PS, the NRA outspent the top-spending labor org in 2016 by a huge margin.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Saying that the guns aren't the problem is an incredibly myopic evasion of the fact that the guns, and their kind, quantity, and cost are clearly a problem.
They are not the problem. They make the problem more risky that's for sure. But to say they are part of the problem is a cop put for not dealing with the actual rots in our society.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
What have we each been wrong about when it comes to this argument? I know we all make our usual arguments. This time, is there something maybe you are a little less certain about at least? Something you've actually been wrong about in how you've typically argued?
I'm wondering about staggered licensing (older to get a license for a pistol or even older for a semi-automatic). Higher taxes on more lethal weapons or ammunition?
I'm wondering about staggered licensing (older to get a license for a pistol or even older for a semi-automatic). Higher taxes on more lethal weapons or ammunition?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'm a free market guy. I like market-based solutions. I would look to tobacco taxes as a model for what we might do with guns and ammo. Make the price very high. Divert some of the proceeds to a compensation fund for the victims and families of gun violence. Higher tobacco taxes have greatly reduced smoking. It is not a perfect solution but it works.
The only thing a tax on weapons does is restrict the second amendment from the middle to poor class of people. If thats what you're willing to do then so be it but don't pretend that a tax isn't an effective repeal for those that can't afford to pay.
However, for those that are willing to go down in a blaze of glory a one time expenditure with no future plans is meaningless.
However, for those that are willing to go down in a blaze of glory a one time expenditure with no future plans is meaningless.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Well the idea IS to reduce the amount of guns and ammo in circulation. I really don't care about the redistributive aspects of the tax. Tobacco taxes are regressive too. But I am in favor of some income redistribution/safety net for the poor. Those kinds of programs can offset the regressive impact of gun/ammo/tobacco taxes.
The tobacco tax is to discourage kids from smoking because it is killing them. They include obvious addictive elements that begin a culture of smoking. This absolutely has to be discouraged at a young age when the kids are most vulnerable. Making them expensive makes sense as kids cannot afford that type of expense while they are in the developmental years.
I just don't see the correlation personally.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Higher prices will reduce purchases...of just about anything. Having a large number of guns and ammunition in circulation is as much of a social bad as smoking. There is an enormous social benefit from reducing both. Make the taxes high enough and you can reduce other taxes. Someday someone will be smart enough to offer a deal along these lines to the voters. Tax guns/ammo/tobacco/carbon fuels and eliminate all other taxes. Be rad or be square.
Guns do not kill as many people as smoking. Its not even close.
Something had to be done about cigarette smoking. They pushed the culture that it was 'cool' to smoke for decades and preyed on children.
Everyone talks about the carnage guns causes and of course they do. But what about all the lives they save? How come this isn't discussed?