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Personally, I can't see any valid self-defense or sporting reason why civilians should be able to easily own a semi-auto rifle, particularly above a certain caliber. You don't have to be a gun-grabber to agree with that. It's a class of weapon that's unsuited for either "legitimate" purpose. Why is that a line in the sand?

You want to call that an extremist point of view, really?
 
chop2chip said:
Polls have also been shown to be historically very accurate with no clear trend of long-term bias towards either Democrats or Republicans, despite the occasional instance of short-term bias. If the bias is random and the prediction accuracy is high, what you have is likely a really good model.

So like I said, the 2016 election is blackest of all black swans.
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It very well could be the case. I'm of the opinion that in the current landscape that people who are conservative are going to be under represented in polling figures compared to what they would do at the voting booth. Maybe I'm wrong and the Trump election is just a huge fluke.
 
chop2chip said:
Its a weird dichotomy in the Republican party that suggests we should invest heavily in a state military, yet we should stop at nothing to protect our right to arm ourselves to defend against tyranny of the state.

Intuitively, I guess I understand the rationale, but seems rather inconsistent.
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IMO, that's where the whole thing falls apart. Once you're on the slippery slope that admits that you want access to battlefield weaponry to protect you from a gummint that could kill you, if it wanted to, via joystick from a bunker in Nebraska, you're in a logically untenable position.
 
chop2chip said:
Its a weird dichotomy in the Republican party that suggests we should invest heavily in a state military, yet we should stop at nothing to protect our right to arm ourselves to defend against tyranny of the state.

Intuitively, I guess I understand the rationale, but seems rather inconsistent.
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The only function of the federal government is to protect us from invasion.
 
Julio3000 said:
IMO, that's where the whole thing falls apart. Once you're on the slippery slope that admits that you want access to battlefield weaponry to protect you from a gummint that could kill you, if it wanted to, via joystick from a bunker in Nebraska, you're in a logically untenable position.
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Bombing citizens with a gunship is not going to happen. They would still wajt a nation to rule over. Going door to door to confiscate is possible and had happened historically.
 
Julio3000 said:
Personally, I can't see any valid self-defense or sporting reason why civilians should be able to easily own a semi-auto rifle, particularly above a certain caliber. You don't have to be a gun-grabber to agree with that. It's a class of weapon that's unsuited for either "legitimate" purpose. Why is that a line in the sand?

You want to call that an extremist point of view, really?
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Let's day a terror cell starts tearing **** up in your neighborhood. Shotgun or pistol is not going to do it.

What happened if we are hit with an emp and we lose power for months? Want to see what 'civilization' becomes?
 
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I want to invest the government, to the tune of trillions of dollars, with the ability to win multi-front wars against other nation-states simultaneously, and also give myself the ability to legally purchase weaponry that will allow me to protect myself from said government.

Solid application of critical thinking there, boys.
 
thethe said:
Let's day a terror cell starts tearing **** up in your neighborhood. Shotgun or pistol is not going to do it.

What happened if we are hit with an emp and we lose power for months? Want to see what 'civilization' becomes?
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Mmm, yes. That is a take clearly informed by logic, and not at all by emotion.
 
thethe said:
Let's day a terror cell starts tearing **** up in your neighborhood. Shotgun or pistol is not going to do it.

What happened if we are hit with an emp and we lose power for months? Want to see what 'civilization' becomes?
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So you need battlefield weapons that are more often used to murder children in schools to protect you from a purely hypothetical event that has never actually happened. But the mean old leftists are using emotion in this argument.
 
Julio3000 said:
So you need battlefield weapons that are more often used to murder children in schools to protect you from a purely hypothetical event that has never actually happened. But the mean old leftists are using emotion in this argument.
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The weapon is not what's killing these children and if the fbi would do their job many of these would be prevented.
 
So could you be so kind as to give me some probabilities and cost/benefit analyses as to your Wolverine fanstasies versus reality?
 
Julio3000 said:
So could you be so kind as to give me some probabilities and cost/benefit analyses as to your Wolverine fanstasies versus reality?
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Why does it have to be justified? Why are the actions of .00000000001% of the population sup posed to dictate what I can do?
 
Just so we're clear, your position is that everyone over the age of 18 should be able to buy battlefield weapons, to protect from an event that has never actually happened?

But your further contention is that the contrary position is driven by emotion.
 
thethe said:
Why does it have to be justified? Why are the actions of .00000000001% of the population sup posed to dictate what I can do?
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Because your power fantasy balanced against the real world application of your policy positions is a losing proposition.
 
Julio3000 said:
Just so we're clear, your position is that everyone over the age of 18 should be able to buy battlefield weapons, to protect from an event that has never actually happened?

But your further contention is that the contrary position is driven by emotion.
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I said I'd be open to raising the age to 21
 
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