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Tapate50

Tapate50

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Hard to believe we gave up the two most talented players in this deal, and got absolutely zero in return except the ability to pay Matt Kemps depleted salary for three years.

Is this the worst deal of last year, by any team? Including the Dbacks trade of Swanson and Inciarte?

I was pretty convinced that Peraza was not the player we all thought he was when dealt, but hes having a decent time of it. Nothing crazy, but a serviceable player in spots.
 
Tapate50 said:
Hard to believe we gave up the two most talented players in this deal, and got absolutely zero in return except the ability to pay Matt Kemps depleted salary for three years.

Is this the worst deal of last year, by any team? Including the Dbacks trade of Swanson and Inciarte?

I was pretty convinced that Peraza was not the player we all thought he was when dealt, but hes having a decent time of it. Nothing crazy, but a serviceable player in spots.
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Hindsight can be a real pain sometimes. Certainly not how it was intended to turn out.
 
I defended the trade, because I wasn't big on Peraza or Wood. I'm still not. I also thought it was a cheap way to get RH power. But, Yes this is the worse deal of the Hart/Coppy tenure.

We did get Joey Wentz and Paco Rodriguez out of it, but we could've gotten more for those two looking back.
 
Glad to see him doing fairly well. Have been able to watch him play for the Reds a few times this year and saw him hit the home run over the weekend. The biggest surprise to me is that he doesn't look that great defensively with the eye test. He's a very fast man and by no means a disaster defensively, but just doesn't seem that fluid. I personally still see him as a utility type . . . perhaps a pretty good one.
 
Peraza has a negative WAR so far this year and wasn't exactly good in the minors. The trade obviously wasn't good and we could've gotten more, but Peraza isn't good.
 
Chico said:
I defended the trade, because I wasn't big on Peraza or Wood. I'm still not. I also thought it was a cheap way to get RH power. But, Yes this is the worse deal of the Hart/Coppy tenure.

We did get Joey Wentz and Paco Rodriguez out of it, but we could've gotten more for those two looking back.
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That was my position as well. I liked Bird's potential also, but I don't think we could have done worse if we picked names out of a hat.
 
Peraza had a phenomenal age 20 season split between high A and AA. His age 21 season was disappointing by comparison. He is now hitting .301/.333/.379 in his age 22 season.

If we consider how young he has been for various levels, we would have more of an appreciation for his upside potential.

Of course, we also have Albies (currently in his age 19 season) who has somewhat overshadowed Peraza. It would have really been great if we had kept both of them.
 
Not a good trade. But certainly not anywhere near the Swanson deal.

It's like Coppy got blind drunk and fell in love with an old road whore at the bar and all his friends watched him get pulled upstairs. Even though she was relatively cheap and it turned out that there was no long term effects of the gift that kept on giving, it's not something you want to discuss ever again.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Not a good trade. But certainly not anywhere near the Swanson deal.

It's like Coppy got blind drunk and fell in love with an old road whore at the bar and all his friends watched him get pulled upstairs. Even though she was relatively cheap and it turned out that there was no long term effects of the gift that kept on giving, it's not something you want to discuss ever again.
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this analogy...spot on.
 
dak said:
Glad to see him doing fairly well. Have been able to watch him play for the Reds a few times this year and saw him hit the home run over the weekend. The biggest surprise to me is that he doesn't look that great defensively with the eye test. He's a very fast man and by no means a disaster defensively, but just doesn't seem that fluid. I personally still see him as a utility type . . . perhaps a pretty good one.
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Stats back that up as well.
 
nsacpi said:
Peraza had a phenomenal age 20 season split between high A and AA. His age 21 season was disappointing by comparison. He is now hitting .301/.333/.379 in his age 22 season.

If we consider how young he has been for various levels, we would have more of an appreciation for his upside potential.

Of course, we also have Albies (currently in his age 19 season) who has somewhat overshadowed Peraza. It would have really been great if we had kept both of them.
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His numbers reflect what the minors numbers showed. Doesn't walk at all. doesn't hit for power. Has 4 xbh in majors. High BABIP contact hitter perhaps sustainable because of speed but the book isn't written.

Albies seems to be a better version and they thought they were getting good value for a guy they didn't love.

Turns out they got a draft pick and whatever contribution Rodriguez ends up making. Maybe bird can be a reliever. Don't know.
 
Peraza is a good utility player or possible starting SS/2B assuming defense is adequate. Terrible trade, but Peraza isn't a huge loss unless he can play great defense and end up as an Andrus type.
 
Southcack77 said:
His numbers reflect what the minors numbers showed. Doesn't walk at all. doesn't hit for power. Has 4 xbh in majors. High BABIP contact hitter perhaps sustainable because of speed but the book isn't written.

Albies seems to be a better version and they thought they were getting good value for a guy they didn't love.

Turns out they got a draft pick and whatever contribution Rodriguez ends up making. Maybe bird can be a reliever. Don't know.
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Yeah. Albies walks more and has more power. Along with a favorable age differential that makes him a better prospect than Peraza.

I think Peraza's high BABIP will compensate for the lack of walks to some extent. If you are a low strikeout hitter, the effect of a high BABIP gets amplified. Plus his age means that he has some room for growth. He could get a little better at lots of things (defense, walks, etc) or might get a lot better at one thing. That's the upside.
 
Peraza is at best a utility guy and Wood is a RP, IMO. As I said, definitely could've received more for the two at the time, but at least neither of these guys look like studs.
 
Before Peraza was traded, I was wondering why he was consistently ranked way higher than Jose Ramirez (who wasn't ranked really anywhere). They had similar numbers (Ramirez even better sometimes). I suppose the almost two years of age made the big difference, but Ramirez was up and played well overall in 2014. His ISO had been pretty consistently better, so I don't think Peraza has that potential pop that Ramirez has shown this year.
 
yeezus said:
Peraza is at best a utility guy and Wood is a RP, IMO. As I said, definitely could've received more for the two at the time, but at least neither of these guys look like studs.
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That trade just compounds upon itself on how bad it is. We gave up Peraza and Wood at the height of their value for the chance to pay Kemp 3/54. It was a horrible trade that hasn't gotten any better. We should have gotten a useful piece for trading what we did.
 
thewupk said:
That trade just compounds upon itself on how bad it is. We gave up Peraza and Wood at the height of their value for the chance to pay Kemp 3/54. It was a horrible trade that hasn't gotten any better. We should have gotten a useful piece for trading what we did.
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Is Joey Wentz not a useful piece? Not trying to defend the trade, but Wentz could end up being the best player moved in that deal.
 
Preacher said:
Is Joey Wentz not a useful piece? Not trying to defend the trade, but Wentz could end up being the best player moved in that deal.
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I've always thought that when a trade involves a draft pick, that the best way to evaluate that part is the expected value of the pick not the best or worst case scenario.
 
Preacher said:
Is Joey Wentz not a useful piece? Not trying to defend the trade, but Wentz could end up being the best player moved in that deal.
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Wentz wasn't traded for. He was simply drafted with that pick that we picked up. That's like complaining about the Kotchman/Tex trade because the pick the Angels got for Tex was used for Trout. Fact is the Braves wasted the vale of a 20ish prospect and a good controllable lefty starter and got nothing significant in return. They gambled on HO and got burned horribly.
 
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