Playoff Rotation, Kris Medlen, etc...

yeezus said:
Just as good as whom? Minor? No, you can't.
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Sure you can. Not a huge difference in FIP almost identical xFIP and Minor has a low BABIP while Medlen is at around 300. You could argue that Minor has been a little luckier than Minor this year.

I think both are borderline ace pitchers. I just prefer Medlen over Minor especially since Medlen has rediscovered his control.
 
thethe said:
Sure you can. Not a huge difference in FIP almost identical xFIP and Minor has a low BABIP while Medlen is at around 300. You could argue that Minor has been a little luckier than Minor this year.

I think both are borderline ace pitchers. I just prefer Medlen over Minor especially since Medlen has rediscovered his control.
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Full-season numbers favor Minor. Second-half season numbers favor Medlen. I think second-half numbers give you a better indication of what a guy is likely to do in the post-season.
 
nsacpi said:
Full-season numbers favor Minor. Second-half season numbers favor Medlen. I think second-half numbers give you a better indication of what a guy is likely to do in the post-season.
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I agree that over the season that Minor has performed better. I just said you could make an argument. Medlen has found his groove and is becoming our best pitcher again like he was last year.

Ultimately, Teheran will be better than both of them but for now I like Medlen as our best pitcher.
 
Medlen looks WAY better than Minor right now. Unless things change again, he should be our #1 in the first round.
 
Neither one is an ace pitcher or near that level. The closest thing we have to an ace is JT. In a big game I trot JT out there over anyone else.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Neither one is an ace pitcher or near that level. The closest thing we have to an ace is JT. In a big game I trot JT out there over anyone else.
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Teheran should not be pushed to make two starts in a series unless absolutely necessary. I want to win and all, but I would like to have him in the rotation next year.
 
thethe said:
Sure you can. Not a huge difference in FIP almost identical xFIP and Minor has a low BABIP while Medlen is at around 300. You could argue that Minor has been a little luckier than Minor this year.

I think both are borderline ace pitchers. I just prefer Medlen over Minor especially since Medlen has rediscovered his control.
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Meh then FIP is very flawed. Minor has a way better WAR. More Ks. Less walks. Less hits. They really haven't been comparable by a full-season measure. Medlen has been better the last few starts but that's bound to happen at some point. Minor is the better pitcher.
 
Dalyn said:
Teheran should not be pushed to make two starts in a series unless absolutely necessary. I want to win and all, but I would like to have him in the rotation next year.
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He could pitch game 1 and have six days off before game 5. That's normal rest plus a day.
 
thethe said:
Sure you can. Not a huge difference in FIP almost identical xFIP and Minor has a low BABIP while Medlen is at around 300. You could argue that Minor has been a little luckier than Minor this year.

I think both are borderline ace pitchers. I just prefer Medlen over Minor especially since Medlen has rediscovered his control.
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3 tenths of a run is a pretty big difference. And Minor is having a rough stretch right now as well where he's had 3 bad starts out of 5(something about Miami and Minor don't get along) Conversely Medlen is on a 3 game hot run now. If Medlen struggles next start and Minor does well Minor's FIP advantage widens.

Personally I still go Minor in game 1 unless the wheels fall off because he's a virtual lock for 7 innings.
 
Love Minor but Meds is making a very very strong case to start Game 1.
 
Meds should start game 1. Unless we face the Reds in the first round. I would rather Medlen pitch in their ballpark than Minor. We need more of a ground ball pitcher going in that park.
 
Yeah, I think it's all going to depend on who we're facing, what seed we are, etc. But as of right now, in a game 5 or game 7, I want Medlen.
 
Man, it seems like just yesterday Zeets the Wise was telling us how Medlen was not going to amount to much as a starter....Oh nostalgia...
 
Tapate50 said:
Man, it seems like just yesterday Zeets the Wise was telling us how Medlen was not going to amount to much as a starter....Oh nostalgia...
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And how Hanson was MUCH better than him. Fun times.....

Medlen is still our best pitcher.
 
zitothebrave said:
3 tenths of a run is a pretty big difference. And Minor is having a rough stretch right now as well where he's had 3 bad starts out of 5(something about Miami and Minor don't get along) Conversely Medlen is on a 3 game hot run now. If Medlen struggles next start and Minor does well Minor's FIP advantage widens.

Personally I still go Minor in game 1 unless the wheels fall off because he's a virtual lock for 7 innings.
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Wow, I just saw this. Ok, so if Minor has a bad start next will you say that Medlen is the better pitcher this year? Of course not because that argument is stupid.
 
Tapate50 said:
Man, it seems like just yesterday Zeets the Wise was telling us how Medlen was not going to amount to much as a starter....Oh nostalgia...
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Never said he wouldn't amount to much as a starter. Said he was average. Has he exceeded that? Yes. But not by too much. And we'll see if he can last as a starter, still have long term concerns because there aren't many 5-10 starters in baseball for a reason.

thethe said:
And how Hanson was MUCH better than him. Fun times.....

Medlen is still our best pitcher.
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1. Minor is our best pitcher. Unless Medlen ends the year with better stats than him, that will be true. You said this back in May or whenever Medlen got hot last time and you were proven wrong, it will happen again. Medlen this year has been our 3rd best pitcher in terms of fWAR and watching the games that's where I'd put him. While he may be the hot hand now, Julio and Minor carried this staff through the tough times. Medlen turning it on while we're coasting to the playoffs doesn't mean too much for me.

2. Just goes to show you that you cannot predict pitchers health. Hanson's 22 and 23 year old seasons were some of the best a Braves prospect has had in ages (Julio and Wood have done as well of course but the Braves had a long dry spell)
 
thethe said:
Wow, I just saw this. Ok, so if Minor has a bad start next will you say that Medlen is the better pitcher this year? Of course not because that argument is stupid.
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Minor's fresh off a bad start and since then you've declared Medlen the better pitcher. You're the case in your point!
 
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