Playoffs Thread

chop2chip said:
Not to mention the fact that while Beane had the right idea in mind (making data-centric decisions), some of his assumptions were just flat out wrong. His position that defense didn't matter cost the Athletics wins. People don't realize that Chris Pratt Hatteberg (who did have a good first year in Oakland) was a replacement level player for the next three years in Oakland. He was one of the shining examples of Beane's brilliance from Lewis' book. The data we have now shows that Beane was wrong.
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(a) Hatteberg was fine defensively at first; no idea what you are talking about. Hatteberg was a wild success for Beane. He paid him nothing (
 
I would disagree that the Ma's couldn't pay slot money for all the picks. They did not want to. That money is a drop in the bucket compared to even the A's payroll at the time. Teams will spend 10 million on a backup player and day they can't afford to pay a draft pick 450k.
 
my take on the playoff so far is that there is way to much managing going on. Take last nights game, why on earth do you remove a starter after 60 pitches and having only given up 1 run? Then use up your entire bullpen and all your bench players only to end up in extra innings and a loss? Seems to me that managers are trying too hard for matchups instead of playing the game that got them there in the first place. Pitchers are being put in positions they are not accustomed to and it is backfiring time and time again.
 
depley said:
my take on the playoff so far is that there is way to much managing going on. Take last nights game, why on earth do you remove a starter after 60 pitches and having only given up 1 run? Then use up your entire bullpen and all your bench players only to end up in extra innings and a loss? Seems to me that managers are trying too hard for matchups instead of playing the game that got them there in the first place. Pitchers are being put in positions they are not accustomed to and it is backfiring time and time again.
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The idea was clearly to not let Hill face all the RHers at the top of the Astros lineup a 3rd time. Maeda was brought in to face those guys. If anything, they should have allowed Maeda to get a few more outs.

I wouldn't say they are failing time and time again. These teams have gotten this far by using these BP strategies in the playoffs. Scoring in the playoffs is lower than it's ever been, so the strategy is working.
 
depley said:
my take on the playoff so far is that there is way to much managing going on. Take last nights game, why on earth do you remove a starter after 60 pitches and having only given up 1 run? Then use up your entire bullpen and all your bench players only to end up in extra innings and a loss? Seems to me that managers are trying too hard for matchups instead of playing the game that got them there in the first place. Pitchers are being put in positions they are not accustomed to and it is backfiring time and time again.
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I do think there is some validity to the bold part of your comment though.

I think it would be wise for contenders to play 1-2 games per month as if they are playoff games. When the BP is well rested (meaning the high leverage BP arms didn't pitch the day before), and there is a scheduled off day following the game, they should play the game like a playoff game.

SP goes 2x through the order, maybe extend that to 19-20 batters if he has a platoon advantage.

High leverage guys take over in the 5th based strictly on match ups, and are expected to get 4+ outs.

I think there could be real benefits to putting players through that type of strategy a handful of times during the regular season when possible so they aren't doing it for the first time in the playoffs.
 
Enscheff said:
I do think there is some validity to the bold part of your comment though.

I think it would be wise for contenders to play 1-2 games per month as if they are playoff games. When the BP is well rested (meaning the high leverage BP arms didn't pitch the day before), and there is a scheduled off day following the game, they should play the game like a playoff game.

SP goes 2x through the order, maybe extend that to 19-20 batters if he has a platoon advantage.

High leverage guys take over in the 5th based strictly on match ups, and are expected to get 4+ outs.

I think there could be real benefits to putting players through that type of strategy a handful of times during the regular season when possible so they aren't doing it for the first time in the playoffs.
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Dodgers had a lot of space to do more experimenting down the stretch and probably should have used it. Trying to figure out why McCarthy is on the playoff roster. He was injured for a good portion of 2017 and isn't really a reliever. Expanding on one of Enscheff's points, I think teams that look to be playoff bound should start acclimating their entire pitching staff to their expected post-season roles throughout the latter stages of the season. It used to be different way back when because it wasn't rare to see starting pitchers used in relief. Of course, that was in the era of ten-man (sometimes fewer) staffs.
 
Knucksie said:
I've got an official lineup card. He was starter with the Gwinnett Braves. Will pull it out after returning home tomorrow.
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Dug this out. Dated 5/13/09 and signed by Ken Oberkfell, who was G-braves manager.

Morton was SP. Lead off and CF was Geegor Blanco, Brooks Conrad was 2B and Boone Logan was in BP. For Buffalo (Mets affiliate at the time) Angel Pagan was lead off and CF. Jose Reyes was at short and batting 8th.
 
Morrow is the #1 BP arm I would like to see the Braves sign, but not for $7M+ Per year over 2-3 years. I can't imagine the Dodgers allow anyone to outbid them for him.
 
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