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So she got the axe over it. This brings back memories of Howard Cosell, something about a football player being "like a little monkey" and Jimmy the Greek, who said Blacks were bred to be athletes. Or something like that. I think the Jimmy the Greek comments were the worst of these 3.
 
I think NBC has regretted her contract since almost the moment it was signed, so I'm not surprised to see NBC seize the opportunity to get out of it. If this was the first borderline thing she had done and her ratings justified her contract then I expect she would have kept her job. It's not the first and her ratings are what they are.
 
Runnin said:
So she got the axe over it. This brings back memories of Howard Cosell, something about a football player being "like a little monkey" and Jimmy the Greek, who said Blacks were bred to be athletes. Or something like that. I think the Jimmy the Greek comments were the worst of these 3.
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I'm not old enough to remember the Cosell and Jimmy the Greek incidents, but someone told me the monkey comment was about Art Monk, and that his nickname was Monkey. I have a hard time believing that nickname so hopefully someone here knows.

Jimmy the Greek would have been okay, and likely accurate, had he said that blacks were genetically disposed to be better athletes. His words were just too vivid a reminder of slaves being treated like livestock.
 
Jaw said:
I'm not old enough to remember the Cosell and Jimmy the Greek incidents, but someone told me the monkey comment was about Art Monk, and that his nickname was Monkey. I have a hard time believing that nickname so hopefully someone here knows.

Jimmy the Greek would have been okay, and likely accurate, had he said that blacks were genetically disposed to be better athletes. His words were just too vivid a reminder of slaves being treated like livestock.
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During a Monday Night Football telecast on September 5, 1983, Cosell said of Washington Redskins wide receiver Alvin Garrett, "That little monkey gets loose, doesn't he?" The Rev. Joseph Lowery, then-president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, denounced Cosell's comment as racist and demanded a public apology, but Cosell refused, citing his past support for black athletes and stating that "little monkey" was an affectionate term he had used in the past

for diminutive white athletes (including Mike Adamle, for whom Cosell was on record using the term 11 years prior), as well as for his own grandson.


Cosell left the Monday Night Football booth following the 1983 season, citing his waning interest in professional football.
 
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I am 65 years old and growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, the culture was imbued with a casual racism that rubbed off on everyone, so I do have a difficult time--at the totally superficial level--getting too wound up about comments like Kelly's. At a deeper level and upon reflection I can understand why African-Americans do get angry about them. During my youth, every ethnic group in my community was described with a term (or two or three) and some of the terms were derogatory and there were negative traits attached to almost every ethic group as in "Irish are drunks (and Catholic)," "Italians are pushy (and Catholic), "Jews are tightwads (but not Catholic thank heavens), and on and on. I'll admit to wearing blackface in two high school plays (Germans were the minority group in my Scandinavian-American community) and looking back on it, it was kind of ridiculous and if I had to do it over, I wouldn't. But I cannot escape the fact that I did.

Why Kelly pushed the envelope here I will never know. Maybe she saw it as a way to force NBC's hand, get a big buyout, and move on to her next opportunity.

While the race issue is central to this discussion, there's another element that relates to the news/entertainment business that I also believe to prevalent and relevant. Those involved with the news have been elevated to a celebrity status that is a combination of their personas and views. But unlike actors, they can't change roles from gig to gig. Robert De Niro can go from Travis Bickle to Jake LaMotta to Jack Byrnes and he's still Robert De Niro at the end of the day. Granted, that's because there is a space between drama and reality. I don't feel bad for Kelly and she did step in it here, but I always wonder if the fact she was at Fox really doomed her career in the long run because she won't be able to shed the image she had there. Hannity and Ingraham don't care, because they are conservative stalwarts, but I always saw Kelly as somewhat playing a role at Fox. Just spitballing.
 
Here we go

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/08/665592537/69-year-old-dutch-man-seeks-to-change-his-legal-age-to-49

Emile Ratelband, a 69-year-old motivational speaker from the Netherlands, has petitioned a court for permission to change his legal age — by altering his birth certificate to show he was born 20 years later than he really was.

Ratelband argues that he feels two decades younger than he actually is — doctors told him he has the body of a younger man, he says. While in most cases that compliment is rhetorical, Ratelband is taking a more literal approach. He also says having a younger age on paper would give him a boost in life and on dating apps.

He presented his argument before a judge on Monday.

According to the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, or AD, Ratelband told the court he would be happy to delay his pension benefits for 20 years, as a logical extension of his age change.

The judge expressed some skepticism but also noted that changing the sex on a birth certificate, as transgender people have the right to do, once was impossible and is now allowed.
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The 69-year-old also spoke to The Washington Post and said he is not concerned that his comparison of an age change to a sex change may be offensive to transgender people. He called it a question of free will.

"Because nowadays, in Europe and in the United States, we are free people," he told the Post. "We can make our own decisions if we want to change our name, or if we want to change our gender. So I want to change my age. My feeling about my body and about my mind is that I'm about 40 or 45."
 
Jaw said:
Here we go

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/08/665592537/69-year-old-dutch-man-seeks-to-change-his-legal-age-to-49

Emile Ratelband, a 69-year-old motivational speaker from the Netherlands, has petitioned a court for permission to change his legal age — by altering his birth certificate to show he was born 20 years later than he really was.

Ratelband argues that he feels two decades younger than he actually is — doctors told him he has the body of a younger man, he says. While in most cases that compliment is rhetorical, Ratelband is taking a more literal approach. He also says having a younger age on paper would give him a boost in life and on dating apps.

He presented his argument before a judge on Monday.

According to the Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, or AD, Ratelband told the court he would be happy to delay his pension benefits for 20 years, as a logical extension of his age change.

The judge expressed some skepticism but also noted that changing the sex on a birth certificate, as transgender people have the right to do, once was impossible and is now allowed.
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The 69-year-old also spoke to The Washington Post and said he is not concerned that his comparison of an age change to a sex change may be offensive to transgender people. He called it a question of free will.

"Because nowadays, in Europe and in the United States, we are free people," he told the Post. "We can make our own decisions if we want to change our name, or if we want to change our gender. So I want to change my age. My feeling about my body and about my mind is that I'm about 40 or 45."
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Gotta support it, right? Since the party of science is now the party of feelings, how can they deny this man's feeling.

And think of the opportunities to allow teens who feel like an adult and all the votes they can get!
 
Party of science continues to tell me we must submit to non-reality

This story is crazy:

Six-year-old James is caught in a gender identity nightmare. Under his mom’s care in Dallas, Texas, James obediently lives as a trans girl named “Luna.” But given the choice when he’s with dad, he’s all boy — his sex at birth.

In their divorce proceedings, the mother has charged the father with child abuse for not affirming James as transgender, has sought restraining orders against him, and is seeking to terminate his parental rights. She is also seeking to require him to pay for the child’s visits to a transgender-affirming therapist and transgender medical alterations, which may include hormonal sterilization starting at age eight.

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James’s mom is “all in” on the diagnosis of gender dysphoria and assisting with social transition. She used the name Luna to enroll him as a girl in first grade, and provides only female clothes.

Meanwhile, Dad isn’t seeing signs of gender dysphoria. In the father’s home, James appears to be a normal boy and doesn’t identify as a girl.
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Full story here... so sad what this movement is becoming. Better not say anything on twitter though, or you'll be violating their new terms of service and can be banned

https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/2...on-girl-threatens-dad-losing-son-disagreeing/
 
File this under news we knew already.

Trump and Republicans Appeal to Men with Fragile Masculinity, Researchers Find

NYU Psychology professor Eric Knowles and doctoral student Sarah DiMuccio queried 300 men on Amazon's crowdsourcing platform Mechanical Turk to discover whether they had or would search for terms such as "erectile dysfunction," "how to get girls," "penis enlargement," "testosterone," and "Viagra," among others.

They discovered a high level of concern about masculinity "was strongly associated with interest in these search topics."

They then correlated the geopgrahic dispersion of these search topics in 2016 with how such areas voted in that year's election, finding "that support for Trump in the 2016 election was higher in areas that had more searches for topics such as 'erectile dysfunction.' Moreover, this relationship persisted after accounting for demographic attributes in media markets, such as education levels and racial composition, as well as searches for topics unrelated to fragile masculinity, such as 'breast augmentation' and 'menopause.'"
 
sturg33 said:
Thank goodness we can rid ourselves of this oppressive patriarchy

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Lounge acts singing this song back in the day -- the female half of the duo usually smoked a cigarette to a tinkling piano
while singing about a woman trying to avoid/finesse date rape.

Dont know if you are old enough to remember smokey bars or tinkling pianos with percussive martini glasses
My guess here is these lyrics, clever as they are, belong in the same time capsule
 
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Runnin said:
File this under news we knew already.

Trump and Republicans Appeal to Men with Fragile Masculinity, Researchers Find

NYU Psychology professor Eric Knowles and doctoral student Sarah DiMuccio queried 300 men on Amazon's crowdsourcing platform Mechanical Turk to discover whether they had or would search for terms such as "erectile dysfunction," "how to get girls," "penis enlargement," "testosterone," and "Viagra," among others.

They discovered a high level of concern about masculinity "was strongly associated with interest in these search topics."

They then correlated the geopgrahic dispersion of these search topics in 2016 with how such areas voted in that year's election, finding "that support for Trump in the 2016 election was higher in areas that had more searches for topics such as 'erectile dysfunction.' Moreover, this relationship persisted after accounting for demographic attributes in media markets, such as education levels and racial composition, as well as searches for topics unrelated to fragile masculinity, such as 'breast augmentation' and 'menopause.'"
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Mechanical Turk is a joke when it comes to surveys.
 
sturg33 said:
^ anyone have any thoughts on that?

Would it be fair to say that's crossing into crazy town?
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I respect author Walt Heyer's journey (although I believe he sees his situation as analogous to all transgendered individuals) and I do believe there is a great danger in the misdiagnosis of any condition that causes extreme psychological discomfort. I know a number of transgender people and respect their decisions, but this case is different because of the child's age and the acrimonious nature of his parents' divorce. It appears from the article that he is trying to please both parents, but that his mother is insistent on having him present as female. Thus, I don't see this as an indictment of the transgender movement, but a case of really horrific parenting on the part of the mother. Let the kid go through puberty, get to adulthood, and if he's gender dysphoric in any way after that, have him deal with it with a responsible therapist (there are quacks on both sides of this issue).

But I agree with you that it's examples like this that put discussions of the transgender issue on a rocket to Crazytown. I hope the court truly listens to the kid in this case and that he's strong enough to be totally honest. At any rate, the court should not allow the mother to stunt his male development at this age.
 
sturg33 said:
Thank goodness we can rid ourselves of this oppressive patriarchy

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nah, you dont watch Fox and none of there noise gets through your filter !!!!
 
57Brave said:
Lounge acts singing this song back in the day -- the female half of the duo usually smoked a cigarette to a tinkling piano
while singing about a woman trying to avoid/finesse date rape.

Dont know if you are old enough to remember smokey bars or tinkling pianos with percussive martini glasses
My guess here is these lyrics, clever as they are, belong in the same time capsule
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Ahhhhh words are scary!!!

You say you don't wanna limit speech, right?
 
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