Postseason Thread

Dominant pitching performance by Estrada so far. Anyone had him on their list of dominating pitchers going into the post-season?
 
CyYoung31 said:
I don't see the difference between this play, and Fick's swat. They're both dirty plays, and both technically illegal. I don't really think Fick's intention was to injure Karros, just simply knock the ball loose just as Utley was doing here. An act doesn't have to have the intent to injure to be dirty anyway.
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I guess the difference to me is that we wouldn't be talking about this had Tejada not been injured (which would have probably been the case if Utley went into his slide a tenth of a second earlier). In reality, Chase would have probably been applauded for breaking up the DP and earning the Dodgers the tying run. Fick's play was bush league any way you slice it.
 
Hawk said:
I guess the difference to me is that we wouldn't be talking about this had Tejada not been injured (which would have probably been the case if Utley went into his slide a tenth of a second earlier). In reality, Chase would have probably been applauded for breaking up the DP and earning the Dodgers the tying run. Fick's play was bush league any way you slice it.
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There's no comparison between what Fick did and what Utley did. Utley was breaking up a possible DP and admittedly slid late, but he was always in arm's length of the second base bag. Fick's was just a total bush league play. Hawk is right. If Tejada hadn't gotten injured, no one would be talking about this at all.
 
50PoundHead said:
There's no comparison between what Fick did and what Utley did. Utley was breaking up a possible DP and admittedly slid late, but he was always in arm's length of the second base bag. Fick's was just a total bush league play. Hawk is right. If Tejada hadn't gotten injured, no one would be talking about this at all.
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That doesn't mean we shouldn't be talking about it. It's always been BS, and it's a shame it took an actual injury to cause people to get upset about it.

It's not a baseball play. Umps have done a terrible job of enforcing the rule, and it eventually led to this.
 
I am sorry a rolling block past the bag is not a slide to break up a double play, it is an intentional act to hitting the player, I see a big difference.
 
50PoundHead said:
There's no comparison between what Fick did and what Utley did. Utley was breaking up a possible DP and admittedly slid late, but he was always in arm's length of the second base bag. Fick's was just a total bush league play. Hawk is right. If Tejada hadn't gotten injured, no one would be talking about this at all.
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They were both cheap, desperation plays. So, yes, there is a comparison.
 
NYCBrave said:
I've been harping on this and I'll continue to say it. I truly believe there is a correlation of the Braves post season failures and the culture of the organization. There has never been a sense of urgency to win, which comes from the culture the front office/management have created and our apathetic fan base. Living in NYC, I've been able to see that winning is the only option or else the fans/writers/organization are deemed a failure. With Atlanta, it's always been "Oh well, good try, maybe next year." The Mets have been made to be a laughingstock by the media in NY over the past decade. When have Bowman/DOB or any of these other Atlanta journalists ever once done anything to hold the team accountable? It's always a positive spin and that just feeds into this same culture. Don't see anything ever changing, especially with a faceless ownership who cares about the bottom line, and these old relics (who've once done amazing things but are wellllll past their prime) being kept around in our front office.
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This is definately part of the issue, any other city if their manager doesn't use the best closer in the game, arguably the most dominant pitcher in the game, for 2 innings in an elimination game, that manager would be lucky to get out of the country without the head cooked on a silver platter. Fredi would feel fortunate getting deported back to Cuba. But that's not the case HERE, instead we got writers writing articles justifying why putting a journeyman reliever that had little success until that year into the spot and saving Kimbrel was the right move.

I can't critize Bobby though. Did he make mistakes, yes, but his strengths way outweighed the negatives and he did a great job considering the circumstances, and again we didn't have much luck on our side. But JS on the other hand should have been let go in the organization a long long time ago. JS was an absolute trainwreck for the most part starting in the spring of 1997 to the end of his tenure here. I won't elaborate, as I've done that many times before.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Can someone explain this move to me?
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I dont get it either, Game 5 isnt until Wednesday so they'd have a day off.

Dickey was doing fine.

Guess they like Stroman more vs Texas than Price if they hang on.
 
Runnin said:
I don't see anything wrong with working hard to have a solid organization and trying to put the best team possible on the field. You can bet there is plenty of competitive fire to win in the FO. But this 'urgency to win' stuff is pretty silly anywhere but on the field. It's just sports, fer chrisssakes. Good, hard-nosed players want to win as bad as the fans.
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Baseball is a job to these guys. Most of them want to win less than the fans want the team to win. It's up to the organization/fan base to put the expectation on the team that nothing short of winning will be accepted. Well, in Atlanta it seems that losing is acceptable, and the passion just doesn't seem to be there.
 
Lots of rookies neglecting the age old saw about the value of third base with two outs. First Gore gets thrown out at 3B trying to steal and then Russell injures himself stretching a double into a triple.
 
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