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<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
We should be after McMahon and Dahl. Maybe Teheran and Folty could get it done.
Folty to anywhere for anything useful. He's a coach killer and a rockhead.
We should be after McMahon and Dahl. Maybe Teheran and Folty could get it done.
I totally agree with the concept of keeping Mallex and Ender and pairing them with a RH power bat. I don't think the Braves will ever get Braun.
I know I'm going to regret saying this but I will anyway. What about trading for Matt Kemp? Maybe Kemp for HO and a reliever. He still has good power and is younger then Braun. I'm sure the Padres would like to get rid of him.
I totally agree with the concept of keeping Mallex and Ender and pairing them with a RH power bat. I don't think the Braves will ever get Braun.
I know I'm going to regret saying this but I will anyway. What about trading for Matt Kemp? Maybe Kemp for HO and a reliever. He still has good power and is younger then Braun. I'm sure the Padres would like to get rid of him.
I like it. I brought up Wil Myers in the power thread, but what about a deal for him and Kemp? The Padres are going to be in rebuilding soon, if they aren't already. Play Myers in left, Kemp in right and deal one of Mallex/Inciarte. We need at least one power right-handed bat, but dealing for those guys gives us two of them.
I believe that would be a terrible defensive OF, no matter who is in CF.
It probably would be, but what kind of power bats are we going to have access to that are good defenders?
The problem with playing both Mallex and Ender in the OF together is the same one the Braves face today which is a lack of power. You might be able to get away with it if you had elite type mashers at 3B, 1B and Catcher but the Braves don't and aren't likely to anytime soon.
If you have a manager that is aggressive with steals and hit and runs I don't see a problem with have four low power guys (Mallex, Ender, Albies and Swanson) in the lineup. If you mixed in a couple of 20 to 25 home run guys I think you could score alot of runs. I envision the Braves being like the Cardinal teams of the 80's. Not alot of power but good defense and aggressive base running. Imagine how much better Freddie's rbi numbers would look if he was batting 3rd with two speedy high on base percentage guys in front of him.
I know someone mentioned this in one of the earlier post. Trying to trade for McCann might not be a bad move. McCann is blocking the Yanks best prospect so he may be expendable. McCann is still a 20 HR guy and has always been a good defensive catcher. Plus he would be someone marketable to fans.
Freddie, McCann and a 20 HR guy at either LF or 3rd paired with the four young speed guys would be a good lineup.
If you have a manager that is aggressive with steals and hit and runs I don't see a problem with have four low power guys (Mallex, Ender, Albies and Swanson) in the lineup. If you mixed in a couple of 20 to 25 home run guys I think you could score alot of runs. I envision the Braves being like the Cardinal teams of the 80's. Not alot of power but good defense and aggressive base running. Imagine how much better Freddie's rbi numbers would look if he was batting 3rd with two speedy high on base percentage guys in front of him.
I know someone mentioned this in one of the earlier post. Trying to trade for McCann might not be a bad move. McCann is blocking the Yanks best prospect so he may be expendable. McCann is still a 20 HR guy and has always been a good defensive catcher. Plus he would be someone marketable to fans.
Freddie, McCann and a 20 HR guy at either LF or 3rd paired with the four young speed guys would be a good lineup.
I'm just not sure I want two poor defenders in 2/3 of the three spots.
I'm also of the opinion we don't need a bunch of guys hitting 30 homers to win. Cardinals, Giants, Royals - I'm not sure any of them have really been power teams recently.
If Swanson and Albies can hit plenty of doubles along with great base running and plus defense, the HR power won't matter too much.
I like it. I brought up Wil Myers in the power thread, but what about a deal for him and Kemp? The Padres are going to be in rebuilding soon, if they aren't already. Play Myers in left, Kemp in right and deal one of Mallex/Inciarte. We need at least one power right-handed bat, but dealing for those guys gives us two of them.
Why the false dichotomy? Trading for a single middle of the order bat is not attempting to make the lineup "a bunch of guys hitting 30 homers".
The Braves are currently dead last by a significant margin in HRs hit and SLG%. In fact, they are the only team in MLB with a SLG% under .300. They have hit 6 total HRs. Six!! The second to last team has hit 20. A total of 37 players have hit as many or more HRs by themselves as the Braves have hit as a team. That means you could field 4 entire starting lineups (an entire division of teams!) full of players that hit as many HRs as the entire Braves team. The Braves have an unprecedented lack of power, and it is unrealistic to expect a team with historically bad power output to be a playoff contender.
All the teams you mentioned as not having power? Well let's see...Cardinals rank 2nd in SLG% this season, SF ranks 7th, and KC ranks 24th, but still out-slug the Braves by nearly 100 points. Those teams have hit 41, 30 and 21 HRs.
The Braves need to add offense, period. And they need to add a lot of it. They are not going to score many runs with a lineup full of singles hitters. Eventually, someone has to actually drive the runners in. We already saw how the "scrappy contact hitters" approach works...it leads to the worst offense in the league.
Time to get some real hitters.
He was responding to the idea of adding both Myers and Kemp, not just one.
And why are you talking about this year's team as though it has any bearing on future teams? Even without mashers, if your lineup doesn't have holes, your overall team SLG will be decent. Guys like Albies, Swanson, and Inciarte can still slug .400 or better.
I think Swanson and Albies are fine 1,2 hitters on a good team. But, then need to be backstopped at 3 and 4 by some guys who are dangerous enough with the bat to ensure that they get pitches to hit. Could Swanson hit 3? Maybe. If he turns into a 20HR, 40 2B, .300 hitter who gets on base at a .360 clip then of course. But if he's hitting 10 hr, 40 2B, then probably not because he isn't dangerous enough to make those around him better.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
You clearly think having a starting OF of Mallex/Inciarte/Markakis with a cumulative .400 SLG% ceiling (and probably much lower considering Inciarte has a MLB SLG% of .385, Markakis hasn't topped .400 since 2012, and Mallex has a SLG% of .385 in the minors) is how a playoff contender should be built. Albies will be in the very low .400's, and Swanson will be lucky to break .500 at the MLB level and will probably settle in the mid .400's. The only player currently in the organization who could approach a .500 SLG% is Freeman, and he is more likely to be in the .470-.480 range. We know 3B and C will be a disaster unless someone is acquired.
I think it makes sense to replace 1 or 2 of those guys with a guy that can slug in the 500's (like Braun or Cespedes). The funny thing is, even if the Braves added a couple .400 SLG% guys in Swanson and Albies they would STILL be dead last as a team in MLB. The offense is THAT bad. But hey, I guess it doesn't need to be addressed.
To each their own I suppose.
I agree.
I want to buy into the idea of total OBP but I think we need more pop. Maybe if Swanson is going to be top 10 in MLB in doubles every year...
I still think you need a couple of guys that are going to hit 20+ HRs. I'm not saying 40-50. Even 30. But I think 2-3 guys need to be 20+ to have a really potent offense.
If our long term pieces are (BIG IF, b/c I only believe in Swanson, FF and albies now) Ruiz, Albies, Swanson, FF and Inciarte/Mallex then we only have one guy that is likely to hit 20 HR. Most of those guys are expected to be 10-15 HR with guys like Albies and the CFs maybe in the 5-10 range.
Even KC, who every person in the "we don't need power" camp seems to cite as their shining example of winning without power, had 3 guys hit 20+ HRs last year, with 2 other guys hitting 18 and 16 HRs each.
Who in the Braves organization, other than Freeman, will ever hit 20+ HRs in a season? Swanson has an outside chance, and that's it.
But yeah, they definitely don't need to bring in a guy like Braun or Cespedes to hit in the middle of the order.
who exactly has been on board with Mallex/Ender/Nick outfield? the debate has been should Ender and Mallex share an outfield.. if they do, then clearly you have to trade Nick for more power and have that power in LF or RF.. No one else has suggested that our team at 3rd and Catcher is good as is.. It is very clear we need upgrades at both.
So Ender and Mallex might slg .375 each.. how many steals do you think those guys could reach? I think 25 - 30 for Ender as he develops.. and who knows for Mallex. But the point is, that an outfield made up of good defense and two burners in not a disaster as you make it to be. Again, if you have a team that is striking out like our team is this year and still not hitting homers.. then yes you have a league worse offense. But if Mallex/Ender/Ozzie/Swanson combine to have an K rate around 15%, OBP .350, with speed, then you add another dynamic to your offense...