Prado Trade Idea

nsacpi said:
You could well be right about the kind of player Albies will turn out to be. But he is far more valuable than Gordon because of the salary difference. Gordon is scheduled to make 10.5, 13 and 13.5M over the next three years, with an option for 14M in 2021. Albies will be making major league minimum his first three years in the majors. That's a yuge difference. Yuge.
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Plus Gordon is going to obviously be in decline much sooner.
 
nsacpi said:
You could well be right about the kind of player Albies will turn out to be. But he is far more valuable than Gordon because of the salary difference. Gordon is scheduled to make 10.5, 13 and 13.5M over the next three years, with an option for 14M in 2021. Albies will be making major league minimum his first three years in the majors. That's a yuge difference. Yuge.
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Dee also has one strike against him with PED.. and is 29..
 
Trade Albies?

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nsacpi said:
You could well be right about the kind of player Albies will turn out to be. But he is far more valuable than Gordon because of the salary difference. Gordon is scheduled to make 10.5, 13 and 13.5M over the next three years, with an option for 14M in 2021. Albies will be making major league minimum his first three years in the majors. That's a yuge difference. Yuge.
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Not arguing any of that at all. Mainly just making the point that I think more than a few folks tend to overrate Ozzie because of his placement on the lists. As I said, I'm in absolutely no hurry to trade him at all - just make sure to be realistic when considering who he's likely to turn out to be.

Given the explosion in salaries, Gordon's contract doesn't appear to be a terrible overpay for a leadoff hitter with speed who's also a good defender in the middle of the diamond, and I would think Albies' salaries could be approaching those levels by his 4th or 5th season assuming he's as successful.

Back to the point of the thread, I don't think that there's any chance they'd take as little as Adonis to move Prado's money, but I wouldn't hesitate to give them Wisler and/or Ruiz if they were interested.
 
clvclv said:
Not arguing any of that at all. Mainly just making the point that I think more than a few folks tend to overrate Ozzie because of his placement on the lists. As I said, I'm in absolutely no hurry to trade him at all - just make sure to be realistic when considering who he's likely to turn out to be.

Given the explosion in salaries, Gordon's contract doesn't appear to be a terrible overpay for a leadoff hitter with speed who's also a good defender in the middle of the diamond, and I would think Albies' salaries could be approaching those levels by his 4th or 5th season assuming he's as successful.
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players get paid below market in their arb years...gordons contract is ok assuming little or no decline...chances are there will be some decline
 
Gordon had a 305 OBP last year and a 303 OBP this year. I'd rather not pay that guy 11 million a year plus give up our top prospect.
 
thewupk said:
Gordon had a 305 OBP last year and a 303 OBP this year. I'd rather not pay that guy 11 million a year plus give up our top prospect.
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And Albies has posted .307 and .289 OBPs against AAA pitching.

Again, just be realistic about what our "top prospect" is.
 
clvclv said:
And Albies has posted .307 and .289 OBPs against AAA pitching.

Again, just be realistic about what our "top prospect" is.
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So you want to give him away? Because that's essentially what you are doing. The braves traded a nobody and got most of Phillips salary paid and he is very similar to Gordon as an overall player. Much better options out there then doing what you are suggesting.
 
clvclv said:
And Albies has posted .307 and .289 OBPs against AAA pitching.

Again, just be realistic about what our "top prospect" is.
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Albies is not even 21. A bit of a difference there.

Albies also projects for more power and a higher OBP. No one in their right mind is trading Albies for Gordon, regardless of money.
 
thewupk said:
So you want to give him away? Because that's essentially what you are doing. The braves traded a nobody and got most of Phillips salary paid and he is very similar to Gordon as an overall player. Much better options out there then doing what you are suggesting.
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How many times do I have to say "I'm in no hurry to trade him whatsoever" before you effing people read that???

Assuming anyone can, re-read post #24.
 
nsacpi said:
you did propose essentially trading him for gordon...and getting some feedback on the idea
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And no one's ever been misunderstood here before, right???

The point is that if any of you expect Albies to become a Top 5 MLB second baseman, you're going to be TERRIBLY disappointed.

You originally proposed Garcia for Prado - what's the difference??? To a man, everyone here thinks Garcia has no place on a MLB roster - no power, can't defend, already in his 30s - much less as a starter. Accepting him for Prado is essentially giving him away for a bag of batting practice balls. If Miami DOES try to move him just to move his money, they'll do far better than that.
 
clvclv said:
How many times do I have to say "I'm in no hurry to trade him whatsoever" before you effing people read that???

Assuming anyone can, re-read post #24.
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easy ClvClv.. no one is attacking you.. you presented a trade idea and we have said no and here is why type answers. I don't think anyone has misrepresented your stance. and surely not attacked you. no need to get all uppity on us.
 
clvclv said:
No chance that they take that IMO.

I think the idea of trying to pry him away fairly cheaply to help them dump salary makes some sense (on the surface, at least), but they surely aren't crazy enough to give him up for "nothing". I can't imagine that they'd give him up for something other than younger guys/prospects - even if they're not highly thought of - have to at least have the possibility of contributing at some point.

Try this offer...

Albies, Wisler, Ruiz, and Bartolo for Prado and Dee Gordon.

Gordon replaces Albies long-term, and getting Bartolo off the books this year pays for one of the guys we add. More or less breaks down to Wisler and Ruiz for Prado, Albies for Gordon, and the Fish take Big Sexy's money to make it work for us financially - PLUS we get the benefit of plugging Newcomb/Sims into the rotation for the rest of the season to get their feet wet. We could even include Dat Dude if they want to hold off on Albies until next spring.
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I'm not moving Albies unless it's for a stud.

No thank you for that one. I'd do Wisler potentially if they'd eat some money. I like Prado but I don't love that deal. I think if he's willing to play 3B, 2B and Of that might make sense if Rodriquez is hurt.
 
clvclv said:
And no one's ever been misunderstood here before, right???

The point is that if any of you expect Albies to become a Top 5 MLB second baseman, you're going to be TERRIBLY disappointed.
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that point I agree with...he has a chance to be that type of player but the odds are against it
 
clvclv said:
And Albies has posted .307 and .289 OBPs against AAA pitching.

Again, just be realistic about what our "top prospect" is.
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Our top prospect has accumulated 400 PAs in AAA at the ripe old age of 20.

What world have I stumbled into this morning? Where are the posi-Braves? Have they been replaced by derp-Braves?

Oh wait, I just replied to a clv post...it all makes sense now.
 
Enscheff said:
Our top prospect has accumulated 400 PAs in AAA at the ripe old age of 20.

What world have I stumbled into this morning? Where are the posi-Braves? Have they been replaced by derp-Braves?

Oh wait, I just replied to a clv post...it all makes sense now.
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you have had a posi slant of late too.. something is very strange around here..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
easy ClvClv.. no one is attacking you.. you presented a trade idea and we have said no and here is why type answers. I don't think anyone has misrepresented your stance. and surely not attacked you. no need to get all uppity on us.
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Then go re-read post #24 where I already agreed with EVERY point anyone's made about Gordon.

Apparently I'm trying to "give him away" no matter how many times I say I'm in no hurry to trade him.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
you have had a posi slant of late too.. something is very strange around here..
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It's very odd. Folks claiming TD showing signs of improvement make Albies expendable. Folks suggesting the Braves should trade Inciarte and roll with an OF of Kemp/Acuna/Markakis next year.

It's like the posi-Braves have traded in their over the top optimism for equally over the top moron-ism.
 
clvclv said:
You originally proposed Garcia for Prado - what's the difference??? To a man, everyone here thinks Garcia has no place on a MLB roster - no power, can't defend, already in his 30s - much less as a starter. Accepting him for Prado is essentially giving him away for a bag of batting practice balls. If Miami DOES try to move him just to move his money, they'll do far better than that.
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Prado isn't going to return much if the team who acquires him pays all of his salary. He's making 13.5 million next year and 15 million the following year at ages 34 and 35. That makes him someone the Braves should target. Giving up valuable assets (top minor leaguers) is not something the Braves should be doing unless it brings back a quality long term solution.
 
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