Profar - was it all cheating?
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No use in worrying about this. The rest of the season will tell us what we need to know. If he prooves to be competant then that's one less hole to fill for 2026.
msstate7
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What else should I be worrying about in this godforsaken season? Maybe my liver bc I'm gonna have to get more beer for the games
Hudson2
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Fernando Tatis dad did it. If he is this guy without the juice then like wupk said that'll be one less hole to fill in the offseason.
Nothing? Just smoke a blunt and chill bro
msstate7
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I don't work like that. I'm not chill on anything
bravesnumberone
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Idk but there's zero way it could have only been Profar taking the substance.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Playoff ineligibility is barely a punishment if the team doesn’t qualify for the playoffs.
We know Profar saw a jump in average EV from ~87 to ~91 last year, and that was the metric to watch to determine if his improvements were "real".
In a small number of AAA PAs his average EV was 86.5, so not a good sign.
Then he hit the ball 100, 105 and 106 last night, which was a very good sign. However, he's always been able to pop ~110 EVs, even when he sucked, so those EVs last night weren't anything out of the ordinary.
The claim is that he decided to swing harder, but the average bat speed metrics don't agree: 71.0 in 2023, up to 71.7 in 2024, and down to 68.9 so far this year. Obviously this year is a laughably small sample size.
Just looking at his EV on liners and fly balls:
2021: 89.5
2022: 90.2
2023: 90.0
2024: 93.1
2025: 91.5
The 2025 value is obviously meaningless, but there is no doubt something made him hit the ball significantly harder last year. My guess is anyone who chooses believe it wasn't the roids is being willingly naive, and we are going to see the 700-750 OPS version of Profar rather than the juiced up 840 OPS version. More balls in play will give us a better idea which one we get to watch for 3 years.
But that's ok, because even a hitter who's average or slightly below is still a massive upgrade over the 500 OPS sub-replacement level hitters we were watching before he came back. It really can't be overstated just how bad the bottom 4 of the lineup has been this year.
In a small number of AAA PAs his average EV was 86.5, so not a good sign.
Then he hit the ball 100, 105 and 106 last night, which was a very good sign. However, he's always been able to pop ~110 EVs, even when he sucked, so those EVs last night weren't anything out of the ordinary.
The claim is that he decided to swing harder, but the average bat speed metrics don't agree: 71.0 in 2023, up to 71.7 in 2024, and down to 68.9 so far this year. Obviously this year is a laughably small sample size.
Just looking at his EV on liners and fly balls:
2021: 89.5
2022: 90.2
2023: 90.0
2024: 93.1
2025: 91.5
The 2025 value is obviously meaningless, but there is no doubt something made him hit the ball significantly harder last year. My guess is anyone who chooses believe it wasn't the roids is being willingly naive, and we are going to see the 700-750 OPS version of Profar rather than the juiced up 840 OPS version. More balls in play will give us a better idea which one we get to watch for 3 years.
But that's ok, because even a hitter who's average or slightly below is still a massive upgrade over the 500 OPS sub-replacement level hitters we were watching before he came back. It really can't be overstated just how bad the bottom 4 of the lineup has been this year.
msstate7
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Here it is...
"...Profar, a switch-hitter, began lifting his front leg higher at the start of his swing. He said advice from former major leaguer Fernando Tatis and work with San Diego outfielder Fernando Tatis Jr. last offseason helped convince him to make the change, which added power to his swing...."
www.foxsports.com
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Yeah, tatis is full of advice haha
"...Profar, a switch-hitter, began lifting his front leg higher at the start of his swing. He said advice from former major leaguer Fernando Tatis and work with San Diego outfielder Fernando Tatis Jr. last offseason helped convince him to make the change, which added power to his swing...."
New leg kick in swing helped Jurickson Profar revive his career and find a home in Braves outfield | FOX Sports
A new leg kick helped make Jurickson Profar a first-time All-Star at 31 with San Diego
www.foxsports.com
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Yeah, tatis is full of advice haha
A-10
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Here it is...
"...Profar, a switch-hitter, began lifting his front leg higher at the start of his swing. He said advice from former major leaguer Fernando Tatis and work with San Diego outfielder Fernando Tatis Jr. last offseason helped convince him to make the change, which added power to his swing...."
New leg kick in swing helped Jurickson Profar revive his career and find a home in Braves outfield | FOX Sports
A new leg kick helped make Jurickson Profar a first-time All-Star at 31 with San Diego
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Yeah, tatis is full of advice haha
Exactly, lift your front leg higher so it doesn't hurt as bad when you jam the needle in you butt! -Tatis Jr.
A-10
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Good stuff right here. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.