Race

goldfly said:
You’re obsession of acting like the foundation to protect a certain race since the creation of this country doesn’t exist is noted and somehow cause you just exist now think it’s not still going on and needs to be repaired is noted as well
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Apply critical theory to your own theory. Assume that the foundation you're deriding wasn't put into place to protect a certain race. Assume it was done to make the best country possible. Now look at results compared to the rest of the world during that time.

Then look at results since that foundation was heavily modified in the Civil Rights era.

Finally, look at results since critical theory and the grievance industry gained momentum in academia and the government during the 90s.

I believe you'll see a mountain climber who lately fell off of a cliff.
 
Jaw said:
Apply critical theory to your own theory. Assume that the foundation you're deriding wasn't put into place to protect a certain race. Assume it was done to make the best country possible. Now look at results compared to the rest of the world during that time.

Then look at results since that foundation was heavily modified in the Civil Rights era.

Finally, look at results since critical theory and the grievance industry gained momentum in academia and the government during the 90s.

I believe you'll see a mountain climber who lately fell off of a cliff.
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so you're saying the regression of 2016-2020 was triggered by CRT?
 
Mr. Kendi is not a shining light of rational argument.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/our-new-postracial-myth/619261/


Because although Americans see racial inequity, we don’t all agree on its causes. Many Americans search for nonracial explanations for racial inequity, particularly class and its proxy, education. But presenting class as the answer avoids the question of why people of color are unduly poor and white people are disproportionately wealthy. It ignores the racial inequities between classes. It ignores the fact that in New York City, college-educated Black women suffer more severe pregnancy-related complications than do white women who haven’t completed high school. It ignores the fact that white Americans who haven’t graduated high school have more wealth than Black college graduates.

From the September 2020 issue: Americans are determined to believe in Black progress

The cause of racial inequity is either racist policy or racial hierarchy. The racial problem is the result of bad policies or bad people. Either Asian New Yorkers experienced the highest surge in unemployment during the pandemic because they are lazy and prefer welfare over work—or the inequity is the result of racist policy. Either Black and Latino people are the least likely to be vaccinated against COVID-19 because there’s something wrong with them—or the inequity stems from racist policy. Either Black girls are six times as likely to be expelled from school as white girls because they misbehave more—or the inequity is caused by racist policy. To believe in racial hierarchy, to say that something is wrong with a racial group, is to express racist ideas.


Let's see what someone else who...explains things through a CRT lens... the National Museum of African American History and Culture, thinks:

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Jalen Rose joins the fight against Affirmative Action:

"I’m excited about the roster and I assume, and I know, we’re going to win the gold. But I’m disappointed in something. As I do this show every day, I do it in front of a picture of Tommie Smith and John Carlos raising their fist at the Olympics. I also know the favoritism that Christian Laettner was shown when he got a chance to be put on the Dream Team ahead of Shaq and Alonzo (Mourning). But they made it so a college player could even get on and gave him favoritism," he said on his show "Jalen & Jacoby."

"But this level of, and I got a word for it … Kevin Love is on the team because of tokenism. Don’t be scared to make an all-Black team representing the United States of America. I’m disappointed by that. Anybody that watched the league this year knows Kevin Love did not have a stellar season, was not the best player on his team and did not necessarily deserve to be on this squad. And I’m not going to take him off the squad and not put somebody else on it. I’m going to tell you whose spot that should be.

"That should be a young man that was born in the Bahamas. That is a McDonald’s All-American, playing high school and college in Phoenix, Arizona. Deandre Ayton should have Kevin Love’s spot. And I’m disappointed in Team USA for not having the courage to send an all-Black team to the Olympics."

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Multiple news outlets report that police also linked the man to an incident that took place in Stillwater, Minn., in June, when a group of men wearing white supremacist garb allegedly harassed a Muslim woman who was at a malt shop with her 4-year-old daughter.

The reports also say police link "Umbrella Man" and the Stillwater incident with the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a small white supremacist prison and street gang primarily based in Minnesota and Kentucky.
 
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https://reason.com/2021/07/01/robin-diangelo-is-very-disappointed-in-the-white-people-making-her-rich/

If you are a white person who has challenged DiAngelo in one of her seminars the past couple of years, you are probably in this book. There's "Sue and Bob," who reacted to her eight-point talk on "What's Problematic About Individualism?" by telling her that, no, they prefer treating people as individual human beings. "How could Sue and Bob have missed that forty-five minute presentation?" she huffed. "I was left wondering, yet again, what happens cognitively for so many white people in anti-racism education efforts that prevents them from actually hearing what is being presented."

There was "David," a white man who—after being asked to disclose his racial identity—chose an indigenous tribe he had just spent a few months living with. ("David held fast to his opening claim, which had a powerful impact on the seminar and which continued to direct our efforts and distract the group.") There was a white woman who complained that a DiAngelo-led webinar was not "advanced" enough for those who'd been doing such work for years. ("This move demonstrates an inability to think strategically about our own role in anti-racist endeavors.")

Then there were the white progressive participants of one presentation who, even after being told that "silence from a position of power is a power move," nonetheless declined DiAngelo's urgings to speak aloud about their experiences of "white socialization," and then complained afterward. "Given that in the case of racism, the worst fear of most white progressives is that they be perceived as racist, and both myself and the BIPOC people in the room gave them direct feedback that the effect of their silence was racism, how could they continue to hold back? What was going on?"

What indeed?

There's a palpable anxiety gnawing near the heart of DiAngelo's project, one that gives me a bit of hope in our fraught racial times. Sure, people are buying her books, shelling out five figures for her appearances, and being confronted with her ideas at workplace seminars. But are they really getting it?

Clearly, many are not, even among the self-selected group of progressive knowledge-class workers with a professed interest in DiAngelo's brand of anti-racism. (Lord help those in figurative flyover factories who are force-fed her enthusiasms for racially segregated "affinity groups," among many other questionable ideas.) The selling proposition of Nice Racism is that DiAngelo can, by shaming those in her targeted demo who refuse to take their medicine, guilt enough of their cohort to double down on doing the work. And oh, is there so much work.

A subhed in a section near the end summarizes what's required: "Lifelong Commitment." "We must not ever consider our work toward racial justice to be finished," DiAngelo admonishes. For those white people who deign to believe they have achieved true anti-racism, she offers an exhausting, impossible-to-achieve 21-point checklist, including such items as, "I use my position as a white 'insider' to share information with BIPOC people," and "I have demonstrated that I am open to feedback on my own unaware racist patterns."

Conclusion: "We must continuously educate ourselves through books, films, discussions, conferences, community groups, workbooks, and activism." And she knows just the provider to help!


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And my favorite paragraph in the piece:

Applying the "systemic racism" analysis to actual systems requires understanding how said systems work, and having the humility—otherwise a DiAngelo-recommended virtue—to recognize that results are not the same as intent; that people who agree on ends will have heartfelt intellectual/policy disagreement about means. A fatal flaw coursing through the anti-racism set is a failure to acknowledge that people who are equally motivated by a desire to improve opportunities for historically disfavored populations may have different ideas about how to accomplish that. See the debates over charter schools, for example, or the minimum wage.
 
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Interesting points, though I would say that at this point we can say that some ideas about how to improve opportunities for historically disfavored populations are definitively wrong- many we've been doing for a long time with no effect. That said, it sounds like there is plenty to take issue with on DiAngelo (I haven't read/seen any of her work). She sounds like a typical academic who struggles to make any of this relatable for real people- and if anything completely turns them off to the idea of systemic racism. Reminded me of the James Carville interview from Vox a few months ago.

https://www.vox.com/22338417/james-carville-democratic-party-biden-100-days

James Carville
You ever get the sense that people in faculty lounges in fancy colleges use a different language than ordinary people? They come up with a word like “Latinx” that no one else uses. Or they use a phrase like “communities of color.” I don’t know anyone who speaks like that. I don’t know anyone who lives in a “community of color.” I know lots of white and Black and brown people and they all live in ... neighborhoods.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with these phrases. But this is not how people talk. This is not how voters talk. And doing it anyway is a signal that you’re talking one language and the people you want to vote for you are speaking another language. This stuff is harmless in one sense, but in another sense, it’s not.

Interviewer
Is the problem the language or the fact that there are lots of voters who just don’t want to hear about race and racial injustice?

James Carville
We have to talk about race. We should talk about racial injustice. What I’m saying is, we need to do it without using jargon-y language that’s unrecognizable to most people — including most Black people, by the way — because it signals that you’re trying to talk around them. This “too cool for school” **** doesn’t work, and we have to stop it.
 
What is the purpose of a liberal education? This is the question at the heart of a bitter debate that has been roiling the nation for months.

Schools, particularly at the kindergarten-to-12th-grade level, are responsible helping turn students into well-informed and discerning citizens. At their best, our nation’s schools equip young minds to grapple with complexity and navigate our differences. At their worst, they resemble indoctrination factories.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/anti-critical-race-theory-laws-are-un-american.html

A progressive, a moderate, a libertarian and a conservative walk into a bar and decide to write an opinion piece together.
 
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