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This poison will be removed from schools and other institutions. The time where we parents sit by and watch our children get indoctrinated by people with no real world accomplishments is over.
 
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Saving the future of the nation. We are close to a Golden age. Just need to finish what has to be done the next four years.
 
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CRT cannot die. It's the only thing that explains the decades of black oppression in America.

Ex. - citizenship rights, voting rights, human rights, right to sit at the front of a bus, right to education, right to use the same bathrooms as whites, right to hold upper level jobs, acceptance into traditionally white dominated fields like sports, entertainment, medical, business, etc. History is going to have an interesting time judging the back and forth nature of the black struggle in the US. If only there were one all-encompassing theory that could explain the whole system of oppression that blacks have had to fight for so long. I have no idea what that could be but I'm sure Historians will be able to see the picture more clearly from the distance of time.
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Can teach all those things without teaching them under the banner of an unscientific fringe theory

And I’m not arguing for banning it, which I think is a misguided idea…I think it’ll die naturally due to its inherent illiberalism
 
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I think Milley's advice about keeping an open mind and being well-read is pretty solid.

Historiography is often a controversial topic. It helps a people or country figure out how to think of itself. We're not the only country to grapple with it. Far from it. France for example in the span of about 50 years has several times radically re-interpreted the period after being defeated by the Germans in the early 1940s and the Vichy regime that grew out of that. It has swung from everyone was a collaborator to everyone was a resister to everyone was a passive bystander to a more subtle understanding of how the same people at various points could be all three of the above.

The way you sort this out is to fight and debate and dig into the data and archives and offer new interpretations. Sometimes it helps to have a historian from the outside step in. It took an American historian, Robert Owen Paxton, to help the French understand the complexities and nuances of what they had experienced. The passage of time helps too. After the war some French politicians (de Gaulle most notably) had their own reasons to play down the internal resistance. He wanted to emphasize the role of the Free French who had resisted from London. Of course, those who had resisted from within France resented this bitterly.

We should chill and take General Milley's advice. Open mind. Read widely. Consider multiple perspectives. That's the way to a better understanding of race and racism in this country.

Lest we lose heart, we have made progress. Lost Cause historiography has been chased out of our schools for the most part. A better understanding of the confederate flag and confederate monuments as symbols and tools of terrorism and dominance has emerged. These things count for progress. Mississippi recently changed its flag to make it less offensive to African Americans. That doesn't happen in a vacuum.
 
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nsacpi said:
I think Milley's advice about keeping an open mind and being well-read is pretty solid.

Historiography is often a controversial topic. It helps a people or country figure out how to think of itself. We're not the only country to grapple with it. Far from it. France for example in the span of about 50 years has several times radically re-interpreted the period after being defeated by the Germans in the early 1940s and the Vichy regime that grew out of that. It has swung from everyone was a collaborator to everyone was a resister to everyone was a passive bystander to a more subtle understanding of how the same people at various points could be all three of the above.

The way you sort this out is to fight and debate and dig into the data and archives and offer new interpretations. Sometimes it helps to have a historian from the outside step in. It took an American historian, Robert Owen Paxton, to help the French understand the complexities and nuances of what they had experienced. The passage of time helps too. After the war some French politicians (de Gaulle most notably) had their own reasons to play down the internal resistance. He wanted to emphasize the role of the Free French who had resisted from London. Of course, those who had resisted from within France resented this bitterly.

We should chill and take General Milley's advice. Open mind. Read widely. Consider multiple perspectives. That's the way to a better understanding of race and racism in this country.

Lest we lose heart, we have made progress. Lost Cause historiography has been chased out of our schools for the most part. A better understanding of the confederate flag and confederate monuments as symbols and tools of terrorism and dominance has emerged. These things count for progress. Mississippi recently changed its flag to make it less offensive to African Americans. That doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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I agree with your paragraph that we should follow Miley’s advice…and I hope CRT proponents hear it and follow it.
 
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I agree with your paragraph that we should follow Miley’s advice…and I hope CRT proponents hear it and follow it.
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I'm curious. Are there any school districts or businesses or institutions that are taking an approach when it comes to teaching about race that you would regard as dogmatic and closed-minded. It is easy to pick out a page or two from a curriculum that appears to be that way. But we know how that is.
 
I haven't read Not My Idea. But I have a proposal to the posters on this thread. Let's all read it and have a thread to discuss the book. Anyone in? Let's do it in the spirit of being honest and keeping an open mind.
 
I was browsing Andre Iguodala's bio at a bookstore a few weeks ago. When I'm browsing like that I tend to gravitate toward the section on people's childhood. He grew up in Springfield, Illinois. He was a pretty good student and in sixth grade did well enough on the tests to qualify for the accelerated classes for gifted students. On the first day of class, his teacher saw this tall black kid and told him he must be in the wrong classroom. It is a shame kids have to deal with these assumptions and preconceptions even today. In Andre's case it got sorted out quickly, but the outcome is not always so innocuous.

Was that teacher a "white devil." No. But I think he could have benefited from a little bit of training about race and racism. It can be done without making people feel they are the devil.
 
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We have a member of Congress who calls athletes who use their platforms to protest during medal ceremonies "vermin." No one should be called a white devil (even someone who is a racist). And no one should be called vermin.

Of course we also have recently had a president who lashed out at Colin Kaepernick and others. But we can set that aside.
 
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I was browsing Andre Iguodala's bio at a bookstore a few weeks ago. When I'm browsing like that I tend to gravitate toward the section on people's childhood. He grew up in Springfield, Illinois. He was a pretty good student and in sixth grade did well enough on the tests to qualify for the accelerated classes for gifted students. On the first day of class, his teacher saw this tall black kid and told him he must be in the wrong classroom. It is a shame kids have to deal with these assumptions and preconceptions even today. In Andre's case it got sorted out quickly, but the outcome is not always so innocuous.

Was that teacher a "white devil." No. But I think he could have benefited from a little bit of training about race and racism. It can be done without making people feel they are the devil.
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Did anyone come over and tell you that you must be in the wrong store?
 
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