Race

acesfull86 said:
That’s really my biggest issue with CRT. It’s able to insulate itself from criticism by labeling any counter-argument as coming from a worldview embedded in racism. You think we should value individual rights over the collective, strive for color blindness, and focus on equal opportunity (the foundations of liberal thought)? Well, those positions are invalidated by CRT, so where do we go from here? You either agree with the framework, or you’re a racist.

It’s way closer to religion than it is an actual theory, or even a useful framework. We’re all racists, we’ll always be racists, and the best we can do is a lifetime of reading the books and attending the lectures and consuming the content created by the leaders of the anti-racists.

I have to say, as a capitalist, I do have to respect what they’ve built…
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I'm seen that critique, that it is a tool for shutting down debate and opposing points of view by labelling all opponents racist. I'm sure that happens to some extent. But I can't help but wonder if the backlash really is directed to this particular characteristic of some proponents of CRT. Are there teachers out there or a high school curriculum that engage in this? I kind of doubt it.

I made an offer in another post to read Not My Idea and discuss it. Offer still stands.

I am curious about Not My Idea. Does it really claim that whites are white devils? That would be a terrible thing. Although I can imagine some contexts where it might not be.
 
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nsacpi said:
I believe you just formulated your theory of the grifter in a way that makes it potentially falsifiable. Well done!
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I credit my professional training. Lots of logical if/then statements in software, and getting stuck in loops is a bad thing.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm seen that critique, that it is a tool for shutting down debate and opposing points of view by labelling all opponents racist. I'm sure that happens to some extent. But I can't help but wonder if the backlash really is directed to this particular characteristic of some proponents of CRT. Are there teachers out there or a high school curriculum that engages in this? I kind of doubt it.

I made an offer in another post to read Not My Idea and discuss it. Offer still stands.

I am curious about Not My Idea. Does it really claim that whites are white devils? That would be a terrible thing. Although I can imagine some contexts where it might not be.
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I think I've said this before, but I oppose Critical Theory in general. Seeing the damage and intellectual dishonesty it does when applied with race just reinforces my dislike. It's a lazy form of pseudo analysis. Instead of trying to understand why something was asserted, Critical Theorists assume a contrarian position and put the burden on the existing assertion, which was rarely arrived at with such an argument in mind, to prove the contrarian wrong.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm seen that critique, that it is a tool for shutting down debate and opposing points of view by labelling all opponents racist. I'm sure that happens to some extent. But I can't help but wonder if the backlash really is directed to this particular characteristic of some proponents of CRT. Are there teachers out there or a high school curriculum that engage in this? I kind of doubt it.

I made an offer in another post to read Not My Idea and discuss it. Offer still stands.

I am curious about Not My Idea. Does it really claim that whites are white devils? That would be a terrible thing. Although I can imagine some contexts where it might not be.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily about shutting down debate, it’s more about the limited use of a theory that can only be engaged with on its own very narrow terms.
 
acesfull86 said:
I don’t think it’s necessarily about shutting down debate, it’s more about the limited use of a theory that can only be engaged with on its own very narrow terms.
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Self-referential systems do tend to have this problem. See my comments on Freud and psychoanalysis.

But is the backlash directed at this? I think the whole thing has mushroomed into something more than the inadequacies of CRT. Is there a high school out there that teaches about race in this way.

I have a son who just finished high school. He has not been exposed to a whiff of this. At least not in school.

He did belong to an organization (the B'nai B'rith Youth Organization) that conducted an exercise to help its members understand the concept of privilege. It was conducted in a way that was NOT primarily focused on race. That's about the closest brush he's had with all this.
 
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goldfly said:
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literally people alive today that dealt with this
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Imagine telling those people that the expanded voting rights in GA are worse than this.

Wait... You said that, right?
 
nsacpi said:
Self-referential systems do tend to have this problem. See my comments on Freud and psychoanalysis.

But is the backlash directed at this? I think the whole thing has mushroomed into something more than the inadequacies of CRT.
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I agree to your 2nd paragraph generally. I think both sides are moving the goalposts on what CRT is or isn’t, or where it’s taught or not taught, depending on the particular conversation that day. I’m not sure that’s what we’re doing here though (for the most part)
 
Robin DiAngelo is never someone I would cite when talking about how to handle racial situations. People like her need to go away. Her appeal to middle america white women is a problem for moving stuff forward. In her view you're damned if you do damned if you don't.
 
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zitothebrave said:
Robin DiAngelo is never someone I would cite when talking about how to handle racial situations. People like her need to go away. Her appeal to middle america white women is a problem for moving stuff forward. In her view you're damned if you do damned if you don't.
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the left wing of the grievance industry

but the left has never made a pretense of being manly and stoic about anything
 
Also at my core I'd much rather read a Black person's perspective on race, or Hispanic, or Asian. Not some white person who makes it her job to tell white people they can do better. Because really people like her are the HR department of racism, they're not there for anyone else but liability protection.
 
Jaw said:
Without reading the book, can you make any educated guesses about it from the illustration posted in that tweet?
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I've formed certain conclusions about Mr. Rufo that make me hesitant to credit him with being fair-minded in presenting this stuff. I will probably end up taking a look at the book.
 
nsacpi said:
Link to reader reviews of Not My Idea on Goodreads. Don't know if the people who write book reviews on Goodreads skew one way or another. Of course there is always the issue of self-selection. People who choose to read a particular book may be looking for validation of beliefs they already hold.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39979639-not-my-idea?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=kWTQpe9qPE&rank=1
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Yeah, I think it's a virtual certainty that no one would financially support this book without already being a drinker of the anti-white Kool Aid.

Like I said, the picture in thethe's tweet tells me what that book is. Reading some reviews tells me that picture appeared at the end of the book to summarize the little girl's feelings after she educated herself at the library after her Mom didn't address her questions with enough anti-whiteness.

Find it on a pirate site and I'll gladly download and read it, posting parts I think are problematic here for discussion. But I won't financially support it, and it has a waiting list at the library.
 
Jaw said:
Yeah, I think it's a virtual certainty that no one would financially support this book without already being a drinker of the anti-white Kool Aid.
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There are some recent negative reviews. It might be too much to assume those reviewers have read the book.
 
Jaw said:
Find it on a pirate site and I'll gladly download and read it, posting parts I think are problematic here for discussion. But I won't financially support it, and it has a waiting list at the library.
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I'm not buying it either. But I'll check to see if it is at the library or browse through it at a bookstore.
 
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