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zitothebrave said:
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The same 49ers D that held Aaron ROdgers playing from behind to 250 yards.

You can admit it that Ryan shredded your vaunted defense, he did it against the Seachickens as well. though not to the same degree (wasn't as necessary)
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Clueless as usual. Go lookat the precipitous decline in the 49ers defense once Justin went down.
 
Go look at holding Aaron Rodgers the best in the game to 250 yards.

Also I'm not sure if the Niners D decline had to do with losing Smith, or actually playing better teams.

With Smith they still got shredded up by the Giants and Vikings, they also let Rodgers throw for more yards in Week 1.

Smith tore his triceps against the Pats which was the biggest whooping their D took, but the Pats were the best offense in the NFL, second best at worst

After that game they played the Seachickens and the Cardinals. Cardinals threw for less yards than their first outing and the Seachickens game was at home so I wouldn't use them as an example.

So basically without a healthy Justin Smith, the Packers and Cardinals passed for less yards, and the Seachickens at home passed for like 60 more yards. I know he had an effect when he got hurt, but Ryan threw for 477 yards against them the week after Rodgers threw for 250. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
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That **** is to tacky even the cast of the Jersey Shore wouldn't wear it.
 
- I think Gronk would be a beast with any QB, dudes a monster.

- Somewhat the same with Welker.

- I agree somewhat on WR's, but QB's for the most part make them, doesn't matter if you can't get the ball to them, on time, on the money, etc. It does help having the physical monsters like Calvin/Green/Julio, etc.

- Niners D wasn't horrible, not the same, but horrible? Saints D was horrible, arguably the worst of all-time, i'd say it wasn't as good as it was with a healthy Smith which was the best D in the league imo.

- Regards to Kap, already said i need to see more, and wonder how he'll do minus Crab for a good chunk of the year, possibly even all year, never know how achillies injuries can be. But i'm sure if he regresses, you'll make an excuse he doesn't have Crabtree, but if he does well, we won't hear the end of it i'm sure.
 
zitothebrave said:
You have to remember QB stats looked much different back then. Also you honestly don't know how much of Gronk and Welker's success was the system they were in which is essentially Brady's system. Welker did dick for the Phins. He'll probably be fine in Denver since Peyton is amazing though.

2004-2006 Brady was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL with no weapons. Obviously he's much better with weapons, everyone is much better with weapons, but you cannot deny his greatness.
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Wes Welker was never given a chance to do anything with the Dolphins. Sure he benefited greatly from playing with Brady. But look at those numbers again. They were not elite numbers.

2004

Touchdowns - 28 (6th) - Behind Jake Delhomme

Completions - Not In Top 10

Attempts - Not In Top 10

Passing Yards - 3692 (10th) - Behind guys such as Aaron Brooks, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger and Jake Plummer

Passing Yards Per Game - Not In Top 10

Yards Per Attempt - 7.8 (T-8th)

QB Rating - 92.6 (9th)

Game Winning Drives - 15 QB's listed with 3 or more and no Brady

Comebacks - 15 QB's listed with 2 or more and no Brady

2005, 2006 - Yes. No denying that Brady was top 5 best QB's in the NFL.

I myself didn't realize how much passing numbers had jumped in the last 10 years. I knew in the last 15 years. I didn't know that Peyton Manning was the only QB in 2006 to throw for 30 TD passes and he had just 31 that year. That Brady's 24 were tied for 4th most.
 
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