REAL FOOTBALL Thread

After taking some time to distance myself from yesterday, all that really matters is the final score. Yep, in essence, that non-call pretty much killed the Lions. But so did the 10-yard punt and allowing Romo to continuously drive down field in the second half.

I know it sucks for Detroit. I'm reminded of the NFC championship game two years ago, when the 49ers got away with absolutely mugging Roddy White. Or was it Julio? Was so damn pissed I couldn't remember. But there's also the fact that we couldn't hold a 17-point second half lead at home with a Super Bowl appearance on the line.

It just is what it is.

That said, the NFL officiating is still a joke, and not throwing a flag on Dez for running on the field is indefensible. Every single official in that game should have lost his job immediately. Because that was an absolute travesty.
 
I think my biggest issue is there is zero accountability for the officials. If a player does something outside the rules and a fine occurs it's announced and every knows the punishment. I am sure there are some ramifications the blown calls and missed calls bring for a referee since it is his crew in a game, but make these public or something. Maybe there is some clause is their union that protects officials from their punishments being made public. I think at the least it would give the fans a little bit of comfort at least knowing that these terrible calls are dealt with.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
I think my biggest issue is there is zero accountability for the officials. If a player does something outside the rules and a fine occurs it's announced and every knows the punishment. I am sure there are some ramifications the blown calls and missed calls bring for a referee since it is his crew in a game, but make these public or something. Maybe there is some clause is their union that protects officials from their punishments being made public. I think at the least it would give the fans a little bit of comfort at least knowing that these terrible calls are dealt with.
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Do players get fined when they throw an interception? When they blow coverage? Players don't get fined for making mistakes so refs shouldn't be punished for the occasional mistake.

I think NFL referees are excellent. It's not their fault that the public demands perfection which is impossible. I don't know what type of punishment you are suggesting that would make sense. The league office always release press releases the next week when a call is blown.
 
yeezus said:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/05/nfl-detroit-lions-dallas-cowboys-pass-interference-call/#

Wonder if sturg will read and accept, or continue to blame one play for all the plays the Lions DIDN'T make.
Oh well. On to next week.
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Since you can't read, I'm done discussing it with you.

The fact that the NFL called Coach Caldwell immediately after the game is telling. The fact that Blandino already has said the officials screwed up on multiple fronts is telling. The fact that the entire NFL world (sans Cowboys fans) admit that the Lions were hosed is telling. Let me be clear, the Lions are not NFL fan darlings. Most fans hate us. And yet, we're being universally defended.

How many times do I have to say we still could have overcome the officiating before you listen? We could have overcome it. We had to overcome it. We failed to do so. We lost.

It sucks that we have to overcome the officials though.
 
chop2chip said:
Do players get fined when they throw an interception? When they blow coverage? Players don't get fined for making mistakes so refs shouldn't be punished for the occasional mistake.

I think NFL referees are excellent. It's not their fault that the public demands perfection which is impossible. I don't know what type of punishment you are suggesting that would make sense. The league office always release press releases the next week when a call is blown.
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But that doesn't change anything. The result stands.

This was unprecedented failure. They called the foul (correctly). Announced it. Spotted the ball. Then took it all away with no explanation. Have you ever seen that happen? Nobody has. Not Mike Perrira. Not even the head official. But they did it on Sunday.

They don't flag Dez. They don't call a single hold against the Cowboy O-Line who was holding all day. But they sure as hell didn't miss any defensive holding from Detroit to keep those Cowboy drives alive.
 
sturg33 said:
But that doesn't change anything. The result stands.

This was unprecedented failure. They called the foul (correctly). Announced it. Spotted the ball. Then took it all away with no explanation. Have you ever seen that happen? Nobody has. Not Mike Perrira. Not even the head official. But they did it on Sunday.

They don't flag Dez. They don't call a single hold against the Cowboy O-Line who was holding all day. But they sure as hell didn't miss any defensive holding from Detroit to keep those Cowboy drives alive.
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I know it really stinks to be in your shoes, but to be perfectly honest I think you are being totally unreasonable.

Every team in every game has calls go against them. Sometimes those calls seem to affect the outcome of the game. Sometimes it doesnt. It sucks, but what else do you expect in a game that is filled with subjective officiating?

I know you hate the process that they picked up the flag. I thought it was lame too and I cheered for the Lions afterwards. However if you remove the picked up flag part, the call itself isn't that egregious. To argue otherwise is blind fanaticism.

Was it a penalty? Absolutely. Could it be argued that it should have been offsetting penalties? Yes. Should Dez have been flagged? Yes. (But if you are going to blame a loss on a dead ball penalty that had nothing to do with the game itself then I don't know what to tell you.)
 
People hate the Lions? I don't know anyone that hates that historically irrelevant franchise. The hate for the Cowboys is at least 100x stronger. What world do you live in.
The Lions had plenty of calls/no calls go their way, so whining about "holding all day!!!" is sooo funny to me.
 
yeezus said:
People hate the Lions? I don't know anyone that hates that historically irrelevant franchise. The hate for the Cowboys is at least 100x stronger. What world do you live in.
The Lions had plenty of calls/no calls go their way, so whining about "holding all day!!!" is sooo funny to me.
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Again - not sure why you're so butthurt your O-Line got exposed. It's no big deal. You "earned" the victory regardless. Good luck with Green Bay. They won't take the foot off the gas like we did.
 
chop2chip said:
I know it really stinks to be in your shoes, but to be perfectly honest I think you are being totally unreasonable.

Every team in every game has calls go against them. Sometimes those calls seem to affect the outcome of the game. Sometimes it doesnt. It sucks, but what else do you expect in a game that is filled with subjective officiating?

I know you hate the process that they picked up the flag. I thought it was lame too and I cheered for the Lions afterwards. However if you remove the picked up flag part, the call itself isn't that egregious. To argue otherwise is blind fanaticism.

Was it a penalty? Absolutely. Could it be argued that it should have been offsetting penalties? Yes. Should Dez have been flagged? Yes. (But if you are going to blame a loss on a dead ball penalty that had nothing to do with the game itself then I don't know what to tell you.)
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That call changed the whole game. If called correctly, we have a first down, basically guaranteeing 3 more points, with a decent shot of 7. If we score 7, the game is over. If we score 3, the whole defensive/offensive schemes are changed.

It was funny, all week on the Lions forums so many people were saying "we're going to have to overcome the league and the officials." I laughed it off. But low and behold, we did need to. And we just weren't good enough too.

The NFL gets the game it wanted (Dallas vs GB is great for ratings). We go again as a loser. I'm used to it. But it sucks.
 
By the way - I love it when fans of winning teams lob personal insults at fans of losing teams. As if the losing fan (in this case - me) was somehow responsible and should be "ashamed" that his team lost.

It's like living in the 3rd grade. It's usually entertaining when Yeezus and GF have bitchfests about whose team is worse.
 
sturg33 said:
That call changed the whole game. If called correctly, we have a first down, basically guaranteeing 3 more points, with a decent shot of 7. If we score 7, the game is over. If we score 3, the whole defensive/offensive schemes are changed.

It was funny, all week on the Lions forums so many people were saying "we're going to have to overcome the league and the officials." I laughed it off. But low and behold, we did need to. And we just weren't good enough too.

The NFL gets the game it wanted (Dallas vs GB is great for ratings). We go again as a loser. I'm used to it. But it sucks.
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Would you complain the same way if it was a simple no call from the beginning?
 
the officials missed plenty of calls for both teams. overall the officiating was poor. but the lions needed a call, on a poorly thrown ball, on a play in which their receiver initiated contact with the ball in the air, to win. and they didn't get it. the same way we didn't get plenty of calls our way. terrible throw, the TE did nothing to beat Hitchens, but the Lions, with the way they were playing that second half, badly neede that bail out call. sawwy. we can spot them the three points and they still lose. should we assume touchdown when they hadnt even come close to scoring one in the 2nd half? I'm sure lions fans think so.

it still cracks me up that people say the nfl wanted this game, and that's why this happened. there is no logic to that, because if that were true the league upholds suh's deserved suspension. and the flag isn't thrown in the first place. or the lions get called for any number of things we were called for while they weren't. it's all just excuses. the lions were clearly outplayed from the first quarter on. they made no plays in the 2nd half. they had to overcome stafford's mistakes and poor throws and couldn't. they could taste victory but ultimately blew it.
 
yeezus said:
the officials missed plenty of calls for both teams. overall the officiating was poor. but the lions needed a call, on a poorly thrown ball, on a play in which their receiver initiated contact with the ball in the air, to win. and they didn't get it. the same way we didn't get plenty of calls our way. terrible throw, the TE did nothing to beat Hitchens, but the Lions, with the way they were playing that second half, badly neede that bail out call. sawwy. we can spot them the three points and they still lose. should we assume touchdown when they hadnt even come close to scoring one in the 2nd half? I'm sure lions fans think so.

it still cracks me up that people say the nfl wanted this game, and that's why this happened. there is no logic to that, because if that were true the league upholds suh's deserved suspension. and the flag isn't thrown in the first place. or the lions get called for any number of things we were called for while they weren't. it's all just excuses. the lions were clearly outplayed from the first quarter on. they made no plays in the 2nd half. they had to overcome stafford's mistakes and poor throws and couldn't. they could taste victory but ultimately blew it.
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Suh's suspension was overturned because the league had literally no leg to stand on. He was treated as a first time offender bc he hadn't had a safety violation in 32 games. They couldn't prove intent. Also, if Suh doesn't play, it invites the built-in excuse for any Cowboys victory, which nobody wanted to see.
 
yeezus said:
the officials missed plenty of calls for both teams. overall the officiating was poor. but the lions needed a call, on a poorly thrown ball, on a play in which their receiver initiated contact with the ball in the air, to win. and they didn't get it. the same way we didn't get plenty of calls our way. terrible throw, the TE did nothing to beat Hitchens, but the Lions, with the way they were playing that second half, badly neede that bail out call. sawwy. we can spot them the three points and they still lose. should we assume touchdown when they hadnt even come close to scoring one in the 2nd half? I'm sure lions fans think so.

it still cracks me up that people say the nfl wanted this game, and that's why this happened. there is no logic to that, because if that were true the league upholds suh's deserved suspension. and the flag isn't thrown in the first place. or the lions get called for any number of things we were called for while they weren't. it's all just excuses. the lions were clearly outplayed from the first quarter on. they made no plays in the 2nd half. they had to overcome stafford's mistakes and poor throws and couldn't. they could taste victory but ultimately blew it.
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Your reasoning is terrible. Bc you could say the Cowboys needed a holding call on Demarco Murray to win the game so they clearly don't deserve to win.
 
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