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NinersSBChamps said:
By what I defined a draft bust as, sure. Most draft picks especially first round picks a team should expect to get more than three seasons out of that player.
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Your definition of a bust is in the minority than. A young player who performs at a high level than has his career fall short because of an injury or death isn't a bust.
 
gilesfan said:
He's been an OC for 8 years now and done remarkable things in Houston and Washington. Even in Cleveland, they resembled a half way decent offense, if I remember right. I guess Ryan was a little worse in 15 than he was 13, but his 2015 and 2013 seasons are pretty much equal.
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His top wideout that year was Harry Douglas and his running back was fat Michael Turner, FWIW.
 
Here's my opinion on Matt Ryan. He's really good at helping a player's performance match their potential, but he struggles making guys look better than they are which is what Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc. always excelled.

At this point Ryan is what he is. He's an excellent quarterback that is going to help you win the exact number of games that your roster is built to win, but he's not going to help you win much more than that. Hopefully the Falcons have a 10 win roster this year, but I kind of doubt it.
 
chop2chip said:
Here's my opinion on Matt Ryan. He's really good at helping a player's performance match their potential, but he struggles making guys look better than they are which is what Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc. always excelled.

At this point Ryan is what he is. He's an excellent quarterback that is going to help you win the exact number of games that your roster is built to win, but he's not going to help you win much more than that. Hopefully the Falcons have a 10 win roster this year, but I kind of doubt it.
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He's not Manning, Brady, or Rodgers, if he was then I'd be pooping my pants. but to counter your point about not making players better, Harry Douglas 2013. From a dink and dunk number 3 who rarely saw the ball to a 1000 yard receiver. Devin Hester in 2014 posting his arguable best receiver stats of any season at 32. (he had 2 Bear seasons with more yards, but he was targetted a heck of a lot more and 2014 had his best catch% by a healthy margin)

I disagree as well that Ryan won't win you more than the roster dictates. I think Ryan can't win more than the defense dictates though. Ryan to me is certainly a QB who would benefit from a top notch defense on the other side. Kind of similar to Russell Wilson he's a very smart QB who doesn't make a lot of mistakes unless he has to try to win the game on his own. The Packers playoff game was a great example. It wans't until the very end of the second half that Ryan struggled at all because up until then the game was manageable. After it became clear that Atlanta couldn't legally stop Aaron Rodgers, he pressed more and made more mistakes. I think his ability to deliver in close games though is second to few QBs.

What I'd compare Ryan to as far as general ranking even if their style of QBing is totally different is Tony Romo.
 
My pre week 1 power rankings:

32. Browns
31. 49ers
30. Rams
29. Lions
28. Eagles
27. Bears
26. Titans
25. Chargers
24. Dolphins
23. Cowboys
22. Buccaneers
21. Saints
20. Jaguars
19. Bills
18. Ravens
17. Texans
16. Saints
15. Falcons
14. Raiders
13. Jets
12. Colts
11. Redskins
10. Vikings
9. Bengals
8. Chiefs
7. Broncos
6. Packers
5. Seahawks
4. Panthers
3. Steelers
2. Patriots
1. Cardinals
 
The Falcons two LB draftees from this spring have earned starting jobs. Will make us a heckuva lot faster for sure. Growing pains will be part of it but it speaks well that they are already showing well.

Im optimistic we can be pretty effective on offense, and the defense will take a few steps further.
 
Here goes nothing.

Packers/Vikings(WC-2)/Bears/Lions
Cardinals/Seahawks(WC-1)/Rams/49ers
Panthers/Bucs/Falcons/Saints
Cowboys/Redskins/Giants/Eagles

Steelers/Bengals(WC-1)/Ravens/Browns
Patriots/Jets/Bills/Dolphins
Chiefs/Broncos(WC-2)/Raiders/Chargers
Colts/Texans/Jaguars/Titans

NFC championship: Packers over Panthers
AFC championship: Patriots over Steelers

Super Bowl: Packers over Patriots. We all deserve a Rodgers-Brady Super Bowl.

Falcons: 6-10 with wins over Saints, Bucs, Eagles, 49ers, Rams and Chargers.
 
My picks for winners

AFC East
Pats
Jets
Phins
Bills

AFC North
Steelers
Bengals
Ravens
Browns

AFC South
Colts
Texans
Jaguars
Titans

AFC West
Chiefs
Chargers
Broncos
Raiders

Wild cards are Bengals and Jets

NFC East
Giants
Redskins
Cowboys
Eagles (seriosuly this division is a tossup overall)

NFC North
Packers
VIkings
Bears
Lions

NFC South
Falcons
Panthers
Bucs
Saints

NFC West
Seahawks
49ers
Cardinals
Rams

Niners get the WC with some chip kelly magic, as do the Panthers.

NFC Championship is Packers over Seahawks
AFC Championship is Chiefs over Pats

Andy Reid gets his first superbowl.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Nope. Just some clearly missed personal fouls that should have been called.
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Goes both ways, they held Von Miller every down and he didn't whine about it. He had his helmet jerked a few times, collared held, surprise no one ganked him in the process of holding him.
 
AerchAngel said:
Goes both ways, they held Von Miller every down and he didn't whine about it. He had his helmet jerked a few times, collared held, surprise no one ganked him in the process of holding him.
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Holding could probably be called on 95 percent of plays in football. Blatant hits to the head is a different thing all together. It's just another long line in the list of things wrong with the NFL. I am not a fan of Cam although I have come around on him a lot. If that were Brady or Brees they are whistles for sure. Cam gets looked at differently because of his size. Think like Shaq how the officials completely changed the way they called fouls for him.
 
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