REAL FOOTBALL Thread

striker42 said:
I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons Fontenot was able to get Morris hired by Blank was by the two of them convincing Blank the Falcons could compete immediately and signing Cousins was part of that.

Fontenot campaigned hard to get Morris hired as the alternative was Belichick who was likely to undermine Fontenot's power. Immediate competition was a promise that had to be made to get Morris hired.
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Do people interview for NFL head coaching jobs by telling the owner their team sucks and have no chance of competiting? It an indictment of Morris if he thought Cousins at his age coming off fan achilles tear was a good option. 1 year prove it deal because there are no good options, sure. Its the 4 years 100 million guaranteed that makes it bad. I am not a super knowledgeable NFL fan but even I knew that. Cousins wasnt exactly a great athlete to begin with. For a guy to come back from that injury at that age they needed to be a freak athlete with a cannon for an arm before injury because both of those things significantly regress after that injury when in the mid to late 30's.
 
striker42 said:
I hated the Cousins signing because I thought it was basically lighting money on fire but I hated signing him and drafting Penix even more.

If you sign Cousins, you need to use that first rounder to go for it all. Cousins was a win now move.

I'd you draft Penix then you sign a stop gap who won't block him or take up a ton of cap space.

Doing both means you don't give yourself the best chance to win it all while simultaneously missing out on having very little cap space devoted to your QB. Only the Falcons could be so incompetent.
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I mean I wont' argue with you. The onyl thing would be is that you really believe in Penix long term but don't think he's ready now, which makes sense if he's 21 like JJ McCarthy who you think could spend a year or 2. THe reason you draft Penix is because you want a starting QB by week 10.

If we were going QB in the draft, we should have signed Winston, Darnold or Brissett. If we were going to sign Cousins, We should have traded back and drafted Jared Verse and let teams who wanted the QBs give us more picks.
 
zitothebrave said:
I mean I wont' argue with you. The onyl thing would be is that you really believe in Penix long term but don't think he's ready now, which makes sense if he's 21 like JJ McCarthy who you think could spend a year or 2. THe reason you draft Penix is because you want a starting QB by week 10.

If we were going QB in the draft, we should have signed Winston, Darnold or Brissett. If we were going to sign Cousins, We should have traded back and drafted Jared Verse and let teams who wanted the QBs give us more picks.
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This is 100% accurate. The fact the front office and Morris didn't do this should cost them their jobs. Just total incompetence.
 
striker42 said:
This is 100% accurate. The fact the front office and Morris didn't do this should cost them their jobs. Just total incompetence.
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Now I'm reading the Falcons are sticking with Cousins because of Trade Value. If Trade Value was a concern faking an injury after Kirktober would have been the way to go. To me there's no reason to keep going this path if you care about your job. If you care about your job doing the same thing every week and continuing to lose is moronic. The lack of change in defensive ideas. Lack of change in offensive plays. Everything is rough. Like I thought last year's 42 sacks were pathetic, But we're now digging all the way down to 2021 and 2022 levels. We're still struggling to as a team outsack some individual players. WHic his wild.
 
What a weird slate of games this week. Most games are ****.

Cowboys/Panthers - ****
Chiefs/Browns - Should be lopsided but a BRowns upset would be funny
Miami/Houston - Houston is a team tha'ts underperforming as is Miami
Jets/Jags - Draft pick battle
COmmanders/Saints - Saints technically arne't out of the NFC South. But this is a game between an 8-5 and a 5-8 game. a true midoff
Ravens/Giants - Should be the blowout of the week as the Giants continue to sink to the number 1 pick.
Bengals/Titans - top team has 5 wins. ANd should beat the piss out of the team with 3 teams.
NE/Arizona - Interesting debate for Arizona as they look like a good team some weeks then dog **** the next. New England is starting to look better under Maye but still have a long way to getting good. COuld be a fun game or could be the ugliest game of the week after Jets/Jags
IND/DEN - There's no less exciting 8 win team than Denver who's winning by smothering teams defensively.
Chi/MIN - Should be a murderfest. Bears are a joke.
ATL/LVR - Should be a blowout for the falcons, the raiders are bad, but I feel like it won't be and it will be another frustrating game.

Then you get to the good games.
TB/LAC - Both good exciting teams, Both fighting for playoff spots, should be fun.
GB/SEA - Win this week is huge for both teams. Seattle's playoff probability jumps to 71% Green Bay jumps to 99%. Seattle has more of the problem as they drop to sub 50% if they lose but Green Bay is still over 90%. i expect Green Bay to win but Seattle often finds ways to win games they shouldn't.

AMazing Games
Pit/Phi
DET/BUF

We legit have 2 S tier games featuring super bowl contenders.
 
Campbell said McNeill and Carlton Davis are a decent chance to be season ending injuries. If so, i think that might all she wrote. Not sure how many more injuries they can overcome.

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Lions showed a lot of fight getting back into the game. Man bills are freaking good though. Josh Allen probably just wrapped up MVP unless Saquon breaks the record. Which seems unlikely as he has 3 games and needs to average like 135 yards a game or something. Which isn't impossible. But it's above his season average so it seems unlikely he needs 100 today.

Also the Giants are a joke. Lamar ****ing crucified them.

21/25 290 Yards 5 TDs 6 Rushes for 65 yards looks like 3 sacks for 15 yards so Lamar had 34 plays where he ran the ball or threw the ball and he got a total of 340 yards. Meaning every time he touched the ball they averaged 10 yards a play.
 
Heyward said:
Campbell said McNeill and Carlton Davis are a decent chance to be season ending injuries. If so, i think that might all she wrote. Not sure how many more injuries they can overcome.

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Never seen anything like it. Almost every starter and their reserve is gone. Last week half the defensive snaps were played by people who weren't on the roster in week 1.

That wint gonna work against the bills
 
Terry Fontenot needs to be fired. THis is on him. He is the one who vouched for Morris and Cousins. He needs to be fired and an new GM needs to be brought in, if they wnat to keep morris, whatever, but TF sold blank on Cousins and Morris and the results are no better than AS with TF having tons of money for the cap.
 
zitothebrave said:
Nah, they want JJ to be the star, and they already have the next Darnold in Danny Dimes. Also Zach Wilson probably could be had.
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I don't think it will happen either. But if he takes them to the NFCCG (or may be even the SB), it will be hard to justify moving on from him. Sort of the reverse Tom Brady.
 
zitothebrave said:
Eagles let Nick Foles go after winning them a Super Bowl.
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Nick Foles didn't start for most of that season. And Wentz was an MVP candidate before getting injured.

McCarthy is completely unproven and will basically be starting year 2 as a rookie QB. So if Darnold gets them to at least the NFCCG along with being in the top 5 in most every passing stat, I don't see how they can't bring him back. Give him the Baker Mayfield where you can get out of it after 2 years. They'll likely keep McCarthy around in the whole Packers QB in waiting style, while they get a longer read on Darnold to see if 2024 was a fluke.
 
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Carp said:
Nick Foles didn't start for most of that season. And Wentz was an MVP candidate before getting injured.

McCarthy is completely unproven and will basically be starting year 2 as a rookie QB. So if Darnold gets them to at least the NFCCG along with being in the top 5 in most every passing stat, I don't see how they can't bring him back. Give him the Baker Mayfield where you can get out of it after 2 years. They'll likely keep McCarthy around in the whole Packers QB in waiting style, while they get a longer read on Darnold to see if 2024 was a fluke.
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Vikings have the cap space to tag him but thats a dangerous game as well. Nevermind, the tag is 41M, thats probably too much. I think you probably just let Sam go, and hope JJ is good. But i can see the argument for keeping Sam, and letting JJ sit. I think they'll do the opposite though, and some team would throw him a bag if they're not picking in the top 2. No other QB is worth that high of a pick other than Ward/Sanders (not sure they are either but thats another discussion).
 
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