REAL FOOTBALL Thread

chop2chip said:
Supposedly the Seahawks do something similar to this. They have a passing game coordinator, but it just seems like Quinn is going to expand upon this concept. Very unusual.

I'm not worried about transferring back to a 4-3. It's not much of a risk to chance being crap when the alternative method was crap.
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My thoughts too... back to a 4-3? We ran a 4-3 for over half of 2014, and terribly. We need new DE's all the way around, but have the bodies to clog the middle in that set up. Solai, Jackson, Babs, Peters, and Hageman should all benefit.

We have NO LBs to speak of, but it does put Worrilow in a better place to succeed as a true MLB that can come off the field on third downs. While solid in run support he lacks any ability to cover.

Basically the first and second levels of the D need all new bodies at LB and DE.

I will say, the D played better in the second half. Just not sure we have enough talent. Solid role players, and very little top end talent.
 
gilesfan said:
Very strange. I'm not sure how looking at different coaches for type of defense will work. I would just worry about too many chiefs in the kitchen. Plus, the transition back to the 4-3 won't be easy.
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Won't be that hard. Let's assume they keep spoon. They'll probably draft a LB early on. They have a decent enough LB corps Worrilow, Bartu, and Spoon worked allright a few years ago. I think Shembo boots out Bartu as well. I think the reason Atlanta ditched the 3 LB corps was they were hoping their fatty DL would be able to contain the run well enough without LB help, didn't work and it's hard to change a game plan mid-season. Adjustments will be made in FA and the draft.
 
zitothebrave said:
Won't be that hard. Let's assume they keep spoon. They'll probably draft a LB early on. They have a decent enough LB corps Worrilow, Bartu, and Spoon worked allright a few years ago. I think Shembo boots out Bartu as well. I think the reason Atlanta ditched the 3 LB corps was they were hoping their fatty DL would be able to contain the run well enough without LB help, didn't work and it's hard to change a game plan mid-season. Adjustments will be made in FA and the draft.
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It still can take time for most teams because you draft different types of players in the 4-3 vs. 3-4. Im not familiar with the Falcons roster, but I'm sure they have guys that don't fit in the 4-3 and will have to be replaced. It just takes time in most cases.
 
Tapate50 said:
My thoughts too... back to a 4-3? We ran a 4-3 for over half of 2014, and terribly. We need new DE's all the way around, but have the bodies to clog the middle in that set up. Solai, Jackson, Babs, Peters, and Hageman should all benefit.

We have NO LBs to speak of, but it does put Worrilow in a better place to succeed as a true MLB that can come off the field on third downs. While solid in run support he lacks any ability to cover.

Basically the first and second levels of the D need all new bodies at LB and DE.

I will say, the D played better in the second half. Just not sure we have enough talent. Solid role players, and very little top end talent.
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The more I think about it, the more I assume Peters is gone, he's a FA, and Babs is liekly moving back inside. I think that Hageman pushes his way into starting and you have basically a rotation of 2 rushers (Hageman and Babs) and 2 cloggers (Soliai and Jackson) Falcons need to keep Spoon and Bierman, they're the 2 biggest defensive FA keeps IMO. Then it Lowery, Wilson and McClain. Offensively I only see 3 must keeps, Quizz, Smith, and Carimi. Could even argue if we keep Jackson on that we only need one of Quizz or Smith. Which of course if you can pick one you pick Quizz. I'd keep Osi as a "vet presence" if he'll sign for vet minimum. Otherwise don't care. He doesn't have a thing in the tank anymore. But he does have information he can share.

Assuming we sign Spoon and Biermann, and we pickup say Hardy in FA. Our potential team would be

DE - Hardy
DT - Hageman
DT - Soliai
DE - first round pick
OLB - Shembo
MLB - Worrilow
OLB - Spoon

Then for depth you have the ever versatile Biermann, discussed DT depth. DE depth is a bit of a concern but Massaquoi and Maponga aren't bad, and we'll have to see 3rd year player Goodman and second year Starr shake out. LB depth though would be horrible. One mock I saw has us taking Bernadrick McKinney, which I'd be more than fine with. If Worrilow can't hang, then we don't have to move Spoon out of position and we can put him there. He's a 3 down MLB. If he is good enough otherwise he can move outside as well cause unlike Worrilow he can cover. Then maybe take like Jordan Jenkins or Jake Ryan in the 4th as well to really bolster that depth. Falcons 2 biggest needs in the draft are DE and then LB depth, and I would like to use the 3rd on true BPA who's hopefully an OT, S or TE. 3 areas of opportunity for the Falcons. Or maybe if a quality RB falls that far.
 
gilesfan said:
It still can take time for most teams because you draft different types of players in the 4-3 vs. 3-4. Im not familiar with the Falcons roster, but I'm sure they have guys that don't fit in the 4-3 and will have to be replaced. It just takes time in most cases.
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Falcons ran a Nickel/4-3 hybrid. Primarily a 4-2 nickel though. Their LBs are all 4-3 LBs with perhaps the exception being Shembo. It looked like the Falcons were gonna move to a 3-4 but they never had a true 3-4 edge rusher. Their ILBs they figured to be Spoon and Worrilow with Bartu as the backup and workign with Biermann as drop end. Then you have Soliai at NT, Jackson and Babs at DE, and then Mack at edge rush. Mack wasn't there so the whole thing was scrapped into the 4-2 system. I think their eye was towards getting a 3-4 rusher in the enxt draft or via FA. Going back to 4-3 they need 2 DEs, one they should get via FA on via first pick. Then they need LB depth. DTs they're fine with.
 
Pro Football Focus:

For the fourth time in five years, Matt Ryan ranked among PFF's top five QBs. Yes, he's a legit franchise player, as evidenced by his proficiency with the deep ball. On throws of 20-plus yards, he posted a 56.5 percent accuracy rate -- which credits QBs for drops and removes throwaways and spikes from the equation. That's the highest mark since Aaron Rodgers in 2011.

So... Matt Ryan has to be considered a top 5 QB right?
 
chop2chip said:
Pro Football Focus:
For the fourth time in five years, Matt Ryan ranked among PFF's top five QBs. Yes, he's a legit franchise player, as evidenced by his proficiency with the deep ball. On throws of 20-plus yards, he posted a 56.5 percent accuracy rate -- which credits QBs for drops and removes throwaways and spikes from the equation. That's the highest mark since Aaron Rodgers in 2011.

So... Matt Ryan has to be considered a top 5 QB right?
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No.
 
chop2chip said:
Pro Football Focus:
For the fourth time in five years, Matt Ryan ranked among PFF's top five QBs. Yes, he's a legit franchise player, as evidenced by his proficiency with the deep ball. On throws of 20-plus yards, he posted a 56.5 percent accuracy rate -- which credits QBs for drops and removes throwaways and spikes from the equation. That's the highest mark since Aaron Rodgers in 2011.

So... Matt Ryan has to be considered a top 5 QB right?
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Ryan is for sure top 7, dont' know if I'd consider him for sure top 5. If we assume Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Peyton are locks for 1-4, you then have guys duking it out and you have people you can argue like Romo, Rivers, and Roethlisberger. No I wouldn't put him behind all 3 of them because you cannot find a season as of late he's been behind all 3 of them .Last year he was better then Rivers, year before better than Romo and Roethlisberger, year before best of all 3. I'd put him at 5 cause of consistency and age. Rivers is 34, Romo will be 35, Roethlisberger will be 33 while Ryan will be 30 and to me that's a big deal as the other 3 are much more likely to fall off a cliff.
 
gilesfan said:
That is because they got caught so the officials fixed the issue.

The deflated balls likely had zero impact on the game. But, the Pats continue to find ways to skirt the rules and they need to face a severe enough penalty that they actually stop breaking the rules.
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How about the NFL don't let teams handle their own balls? They're just asking to get egg on their face.
 
CyYoung31 said:
How about the NFL don't let teams handle their own balls? They're just asking to get egg on their face.
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There's debate on whether or not anyone did anything to the balls.
The original reports said 11 of the 12 were underinflated by 2 pounds, but that's being revised now. I think I heard 10 of the 12 were underinflated by 1 pound or less, which could be a lot of things. Much ado about nothing here.
 
chop2chip said:
Pro Football Focus:

For the fourth time in five years, Matt Ryan ranked among PFF's top five QBs. Yes, he's a legit franchise player, as evidenced by his proficiency with the deep ball. On throws of 20-plus yards, he posted a 56.5 percent accuracy rate -- which credits QBs for drops and removes throwaways and spikes from the equation. That's the highest mark since Aaron Rodgers in 2011.

So... Matt Ryan has to be considered a top 5 QB right?
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I should clarify my mistake. I mean in consideration for top 5 QB.
 
chop2chip said:
Pro Football Focus:
For the fourth time in five years, Matt Ryan ranked among PFF's top five QBs. Yes, he's a legit franchise player, as evidenced by his proficiency with the deep ball. On throws of 20-plus yards, he posted a 56.5 percent accuracy rate -- which credits QBs for drops and removes throwaways and spikes from the equation. That's the highest mark since Aaron Rodgers in 2011.

So... Matt Ryan has to be considered a top 5 QB right?
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Wilson > Ryan
 
If Seattle wins title, they will have the lowest amount of passing yards for a Super Bowl winner
 
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