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“This is a great young leader, man,” Fletcher said. “Sometimes, I don’t think people really appreciate how great this kid is because, I know, last year he stepped on the scene and he did so much stuff. He was asked to be a savior of a franchise that hadn’t had a franchise quarterback in 20 some-odd years. He came in and you talk about giving up all the draft picks and all the things they did to bring him in, and he handled the expectations and even exceeded those. He carried himself in a manner that’s very rare [for] young guys [to] do. He has great leadership qualities.”

Griffin’s leadership has been the subject of much discussion—both locally and nationally—in recent days after his controversial comments following Sunday’s loss to the Eagles.

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Fletcher wasn’t asked specifically about Griffin’s postgame press conference. But he said the second-year quarterback’s ability to lead 52 other men should not be questioned.

The 38-year-old linebacker also said that much of Griffin’s leadership occurs out of the public eye.

“He has intangibles that you can’t coach,” Fletcher said. “You don’t coach leadership. Leadership isn’t always the guy yelling at somebody, the loudest guy in the room, the guy who is the most vocal guy. People lead in different ways. It may be encouraging [teammates], inspiring. When you see a guy on third-and-seven and he dives for a first down to get the drive going. That’s inspirational, that inspires your team, that’s being a leader.”

After a pause, Fletcher added: “Believe me, the kid gets it. It may be a text message he sends to a group of guys or a conversation that we may have. People don’t see, but the kid is a leader.
 
thethe said:
GF, are you really trying to.say.there are no issues with rg3 moving forward?
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of course he is.

RG3 is just way too much of a diva. Not normal for a QB to be like that. I'm enjoying it, because they stink and it's partially RG3-13's fault.
 
I believe physically rg3 will be fine. But.the QB needs to be a leader and we have now heard a mixed bag for two years. Its alarming to me. You don't.hear these things about)Luck/Wilson/Kaepernick.
 
thethe said:
GF, are you really trying to.say.there are no issues with rg3 moving forward?
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I have no idea if there are issues or not. The players that speak publicly love him. No one said a bad thing about him last year when they won the division. Things were said about Cam Newton when he was losing (who know if true either), that all goes away when you win. When you are young and have a camera in your face every day, there are going to be some things you say that people will criticize you for when you are losing. When you win, they are overlooked, when you lose, you are called an egomanic or a cancer or whatever. No one ever talks about how McCarthy and Rogers don't get along. You even see it with Romo after every year the Cowboys choke in week 17, they take his comments and find ways to paint him in a bad picture.

Some of these stories, particularly from Sally Jenkins are hack jobs. This article where she claims that RG3 bragged to teammates, she also claims the Skins are going after Art Briles. Also claims the O-Line doesn't like RG3 because they don't help him up after sacks. "Trent Williams was rather colorful in refuting the idea that he and his fellow linemen are not helping up Robert Griffin III after he gets knocked to the ground due to any sort of rift in the relationship. “I mean, that's some dumbass s**t,” he said, shaking his head." John Keim knows the Redskins better than anyone....he's really balanced as to his praises or criticisms of the team. (I agree with him on things he's criticized RG3 for) He left the Washington Post. You guys don't know the story about the rift between the Washington Post and the Redskins organization......they have very limited access to the Redskins.

In the same article that she claims RG3 bragged about his influence on Snyder (which neither RG3 or Snyder have been involved in the interview process) she mentions Stafford actually being in on the interviews. hmmm.
 
thethe said:
I believe physically rg3 will be fine. But.the QB needs to be a leader and we have now heard a mixed bag for two years. Its alarming to me. You don't.hear these things about)Luck/Wilson/Kaepernick.
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Or Rodgers/Brady/Ryan/Manning/Manning/Rivers/Romo

Well I guess it's not fair to lump Rivers, Romo, and Rodgers in there since they had extensive time as a backup. Vick is maybe the only QB I can recall who's had their leadership qualities and teammate qualities called into question like RG3. I mean there is the prevailing issue of black QBs and unfair scrutiny by the largely white media and heck, NFL fan market. But you never heard these issues with McNabb, Moon, or for more recent Wilson.

RG3 has some maturing to do in the NFL. Skins fans better hope whoever his next coach is does tha tfor him. I've seen what an owner falling in love with a QB can do (Blank/Vick) and it's not very good.
 
Serious question, no troll, assuming RG3 is Synders boy and the locker-room knows it...like the report states....why would anyone come out and say anything? I mean, there is A LOT of smoke here, kind of hard to believe that there isn't an issue.
 
BRule said:
Serious question, no troll, assuming RG3 is Synders boy and the locker-room knows it...like the report states....why would anyone come out and say anything? I mean, there is A LOT of smoke here, kind of hard to believe that there isn't an issue.
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I don't know why football players say anything, really. You think the Skins would cut a player if they came out and said they didn't like the relationship between Snyder and RG3? Would they cut Trent Williams if he said it? The story about RG3 and Snyder being boys is bc they had thanksgiving dinner together after the Cowboys game last year and attended events together in the offseason. As shocking as it sounds, Mike Shanahan had total control of the football matters; if anyone wanted things done they would need to be boys with Mike Shanahan.

The whole organization was dysfunctional last year. We have two guys heading the personnel departments that are supposedly respected. (Morocco Brown and Scott Campbell). Reports are that Shanahan would totally disregard what those two had to say and went to a third party source to get scouting information. The GM has come out and said that he reviewed the grades put on players by the personnel people and felt that they needed to have more input in player personnel decisions (which implies they weren't listened to). Now, we have a clear GM with the personnel people in place; and that GM is the one picking the head coach. Hopefully the organization side of things will be more structured.

I like Shanahan as a coach; i just wonder if his own ego gets in the way at times. He stuck with some coaches that just performed terribly and refused to make changes. Some of the people that follow the team think that M. Shanahan is the one leaking negative stories about the team.

As for RG3, the players that put their names to quotes speak highly of him for the most part. These stories aren't all that much different that the stories about Portis when he was in Washington. Though those stories said Portis didn't even have to practice where no one that follows the Skins has criticized RG3s work ethic.
 
gilesfan said:
You absolutely heard it about McNabb, are you kidding?
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No you didn't. If you did the moron Eagle fans wouldn't have let him be. They already hated him from jumpstreet because Angelo Cataldi convinced everyone that they wanted Ricky Williams.

The only person to "question" McNabb's leadership is Stephen A Smith. Which **** if that joker doesn't like you you're golden. He wasn't a Brady yell at people type, he was a quiet leader. Which worked really well in Philly when he was paired with Dawkins who was the more vocal boisterous leader.

Given the Philly market and their love to tear down players as much as they love to raise them up and overrate them, anything bad came out about McNabb, they would have been all over it. Nothing bad came out for a reason .
 
When has a player ever come out and taken on the "franchise QB" and owner? Other than Vanderjerk? And how did that work out? I'm sure the media is blowing it up more than it is BUT I would say there is an issue there. I also don't understand why someone would pull out of thin air that "RG3 goes around bragging about his relationship with Synder" that seems like a weird thing to make up.
 
zitothebrave said:
No you didn't. If you did the moron Eagle fans wouldn't have let him be. They already hated him from jumpstreet because Angelo Cataldi convinced everyone that they wanted Ricky Williams.

The only person to "question" McNabb's leadership is Stephen A Smith. Which **** if that joker doesn't like you you're golden. He wasn't a Brady yell at people type, he was a quiet leader. Which worked really well in Philly when he was paired with Dawkins who was the more vocal boisterous leader.

Given the Philly market and their love to tear down players as much as they love to raise them up and overrate them, anything bad came out about McNabb, they would have been all over it. Nothing bad came out for a reason .
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...icized-quarterback-nfl-history-202352653.html
 
BRule said:
When has a player ever come out and taken on the "franchise QB" and owner? Other than Vanderjerk? And how did that work out? I'm sure the media is blowing it up more than it is BUT I would say there is an issue there. I also don't understand why someone would pull out of thin air that "RG3 goes around bragging about his relationship with Synder" that seems like a weird thing to make up.
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Who knows really? Why would a journalist say the offensive lineman don't like RG3? Or why would a journalist write a piece saying RG3 "came out of the closet?" Why would one write that RG3 requested negative plays not be shown in film studies (refuted by Baylor and the Redskins)?"

It may be true, it may not be true. Hard to judge the motivations of a journalist or a player if they did say it.

If RG3 really is going around the locker room bragging that he gets special favors from Snyder, he needs to be put in check.
 
Are you kidding? He was criticized for lack of leadership bc people called him fat and lazy....or bc he supposedly threw up in the huddle during the super bowl.
 
Come on GF. Some of this stuff has to be true. RG3 has maturity issues. I'm not concerned about him moving forward but don't act like these problems aren't there.
 
LMAO what a bad joke that was. So someone who's fat isn't a leader? For real? And he was ill when he threw up in the huddle. Not cause of conditioning. If you forget that game McNabb was put on his ass basically every passing play cause Wilfork destroyed whoever was their center (want to say Frahley) some think he had a concussion and that was in the end what hurt him.

How is puking in a huddle a sign of lack of leadership?
 
zitothebrave said:
LMAO what a bad joke that was. So someone who's fat isn't a leader? For real? And he was ill when he threw up in the huddle. Not cause of conditioning. If you forget that game McNabb was put on his ass basically every passing play cause Wilfork destroyed whoever was their center (want to say Frahley) some think he had a concussion and that was in the end what hurt him.

How is puking in a huddle a sign of lack of leadership?
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You are missing the point. I'm not saying he lacked leadership because of that; that is why the writers claimed. Hence, McNabb discussing how much he was criticized while playing. (to counter your point that McNabb was never criticized for lack of leadship----bc he was)
 
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