Red Sox Aquire Sale

I do think this means Quintana could be available. I thought they would try and rebuild on the fly, but this is a long term package. Everyone is for sale
 
Of course, this could end up being roses for the White Sox, but I did think that the Red Sox would have to give up more to get Sale.
 
Chico said:
I do think this means Quintana could be available. I thought they would try and rebuild on the fly, but this is a long term package. Everyone is for sale
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Quintana is going to cost a crap ton too. If the WS do trade him their farm will be totally rebuilt.
 
thewupk said:
Quintana is going to cost a crap ton too. If the WS do trade him their farm will be totally rebuilt.
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With Eaton, Frazier, Abreu, Roberton, and Melky

Yeah, they could do a complete turn around with a mix of major league ready controllable players and high upside guys 2-3 years away.
 
Yeah I'm not throughly impressed with the return for the Chi-Sox. Not that it's a bad package in any way, but it certainly isn't the sort of package that they were rumored to be asking for. While Moncada is a huge fish, he also still has yet to prove it in the majors. Kopech is a solid prospect, but with lots of questions and a good ways away from contributing. Basabe is an intriguing prospect as well. Diaz is a total question mark having not made a single start, but doesn't seem like much of a prospect at this time.

Again, not a bad trade, but with as many suitors, I would have wanted to get a clear win in a Sale trade. I would have wanted Groome or Devers along with this package to make it a clear win.
 
Russ2dollas said:
True.

Nobody is saying the deal wasn't fair. Or that they should have taken another deal.

I just think a lot of ppl thought they'd get more. People were talking about Betts or other players already in MLB. Moncada is a stud. But it's like trading him to the dodgers for Seager and some stuff. But Seager has actually done it at the MLB level.

Again, that was the type of deal ppl on this board wanted for Tehran + Viz. Now I know that is message board BS, but if Sale was a Brave we'd have wanted Moncada + a lot more. That's all I'm saying.

Now the socks are clearly in rebuild mode....What does Quintana cost?
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Maybe the opinions of fans aren't quite the best way of determing actual fair market value.

This is what Chris sale on this contract is worth in this market.

They've had months to test the waters and multiple suitors.
 
thewupk said:
Quintana is going to cost a crap ton too. If the WS do trade him their farm will be totally rebuilt.
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ChiSox are supposedly only trading guys with 3 years of control or less. They supposedly view Quintana the same way Coppy viewed Teheran...under control long enough to part of their next good team.
 
What I thought would happen.

But for comparison sakes:

Moncada = Swanson
Kopech = Newcomb
Basabe = Acuna
Diaz = Cabrera

So, how would you guys feel right now: Sale to the Braves for Swanson, Newcomb, Acuna and Cabrera?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
yep

But at least the Bosox have a real chance to win a WS AND they have virtually an unlimited budget EVERY year, not just when they are opening a new stadium.
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I don't think any GM is dumb enough to trade that away without a real shot at winning it all. I think Dave Stewart would have said N.... wait.. never mind. I am just glad Copy didn't do it... now he needs to relax and don't get worried that other teams are making the headlines. We don't need to make any big moves this year.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I don't think any GM is dumb enough to trade that away without a real shot at winning it all. I think Dave Stewart would have said N.... wait.. never mind. I am just glad Copy didn't do it... now he needs to relax and don't get worried that other teams are making the headlines. We don't need to make any big moves this year.
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There are always GM's who think their team is closer than they actually are. Dave Stewart was one of those.
 
Thought Boston might have to include Devers but on the surface, pretty solid haul.

Thought the White Sox might have demanded more for him.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
What I thought would happen.

But for comparison sakes:

Moncada = Swanson
Kopech = Newcomb
Basabe = Acuna
Diaz = Cabrera

So, how would you guys feel right now: Sale to the Braves for Swanson, Newcomb, Acuna and Cabrera?
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While it's tough to gauge the value of Swanson against Moncada, I feel quite certain that all of other comps are pretty poor. Newcombe is closer to the majors with a better track record. Kopech is closer to Touki or Fried in terms of value. Acuna is basically a lock for top 100 as well. Basabe isn't close to him as a prospect right now. And Cabrera (I'm assuming you mean Mauricio) has already found success in the majors. Again, no where close in value.
 
Carp said:
While it's tough to gauge the value of Swanson against Moncada, I feel quite certain that all of other comps are pretty poor. Newcombe is closer to the majors with a better track record. Kopech is closer to Touki or Fried in terms of value. Acuna is basically a lock for top 100 as well. Basabe isn't close to him as a prospect right now. And Cabrera (I'm assuming you mean Mauricio) has already found success in the majors. Again, no where close in value.
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How about this. I predict Swanson will have more WAR in his first 5 seasons(full) than Moncada will in his first 5.

Agree Newcomb > Kopech right now and Acuna >+ Basabe, but I don't trust Cabrera yet. He found lighting in a bottle last year and not sure he will sustain it yet. I have my posi-brave's glasses on, so maybe I can.
 
Carp said:
While it's tough to gauge the value of Swanson against Moncada, I feel quite certain that all of other comps are pretty poor. Newcombe is closer to the majors with a better track record. Kopech is closer to Touki or Fried in terms of value. Acuna is basically a lock for top 100 as well. Basabe isn't close to him as a prospect right now. And Cabrera (I'm assuming you mean Mauricio) has already found success in the majors. Again, no where close in value.
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Moncada has similar value as Swanson but cost $62M to sign.

Newcomb is a Lefty but doesn't have the stuff of Kopech. I believe Kopech will be ranked ahead of Newcomb when the spring rankings come out (already #30 on MLB.com vs #47 for Newcomb). Basabe is at least a similar prospect to Acuna IF not better. The only thing Acuna has over Basabe right now is age. He may ultimately be the better prospect but he's certainly more of a current risk to implode. And the Cabrera/Diaz comp to me is pretty good. Both big FB guys who are straight relivers but Diaz has more of an idea where the ball is going to go while Cabrera has some ML experience.

Doesn't really matter in the end. Bottom line is: the Braves were never getting Sale for a hand full of magic beans.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
How about this. I predict Swanson will have more WAR in his first 5 seasons(full) than Moncada will in his first 5.

Agree Newcomb > Kopech right now and Acuna >+ Basabe, but I don't trust Cabrera yet. He found lighting in a bottle last year and not sure he will sustain it yet. I have my posi-brave's glasses on, so maybe I can.
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I'll gladly take that bet. Wrap it up with your prediction about Wisler having 100+ innings of sub-4 ERA pitching and make one super bet.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Moncada has similar value as Swanson but cost $62M to sign.

Newcomb is a Lefty but doesn't have the stuff of Kopech. I believe Kopech will be ranked ahead of Newcomb when the spring rankings come out (already #30 on MLB.com vs #47 for Newcomb). Basabe is at least a similar prospect to Acuna IF not better. The only thing Acuna has over Basabe right now is age. He may ultimately be the better prospect but he's certainly more of a current risk to implode. And the Cabrera/Diaz comp to me is pretty good. Both big FB guys who are straight relivers but Diaz has more of an idea where the ball is going to go while Cabrera has some ML experience.

Doesn't really matter in the end. Bottom line is: the Braves were never getting Sale for a hand full of magic beans.
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I think the Kopech/Newcomb debate is pretty good one. they are similar in value. I think Kopech has control problems that exceed Newks and he will ultimately end up as a high leverage closer, where I see Newk probably making a rotation.
 
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