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I'll try to state my position on this issue as eloquently as jpx did.

I done think the man who makes cakes should not have to make them for a *** wedding if he doesn't want to. Aint no nevermind to me whether or not ***s get married, but y'all have to understand that some folks just don't agree with *** marriage. I reckon he done did make cakes for ***s for other events, but just not for thar wedding. All y'all will not expect cake maker to make cake for a satanic ritual would you! Not tryin to compare the two, but just sayin that he done has the right to refuse to make a cake for something he... what's the word I be looking for... not agrees with.
 
BedellBrave said:
As I said, choice is a part of the matrix.

I for one do not think that "orientation" is always an exclusively static idea.
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That is just playing a simple game of word play by saying it is choice if you want to use it that way

Which I thought we both know isn't the case of what we are talking about
 
Hawk said:
Haha dude. That IS the law of society. But I digress.
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The dumb belief that homosexuality is a sin? The dumb belief that homosexuality is a choice? The dumb belief that marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

It's no longer a black and white issue. Homosexual couples (and singles) are welcome at some Christian churches, *** adoption is allowed, significant progress has been made on *** rights and marriage, etc. et al.

There has been compromise already, my friend.
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That isn't the law of society to just discriminate because of your religious belief

That has already been struck down in this society with every other case that has presented that argument
 
discrimination
1 the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex: victims of racial discrimination | discrimination against homosexuals.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another: discrimination between right and wrong | young children have difficulties in making fine discriminations.
 
weso1 said:
I'll try to state my position on this issue as eloquently as jpx did.

I done think the man who makes cakes should not have to make them for a *** wedding if he doesn't want to. Aint no nevermind to me whether or not ***s get married, but y'all have to understand that some folks just don't agree with *** marriage. I reckon he done did make cakes for ***s for other events, but just not for thar wedding. All y'all will not expect cake maker to make cake for a satanic ritual would you! Not tryin to compare the two, but just sayin that he done has the right to refuse to make a cake for something he... what's the word I be looking for... not agrees with.
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This.
 
Such a joke that folks actually believe a private business owner shouldn't be allowed to refuse service.

I'm going to call a Colorado wedding photographer to take pics of my wedding in Virginia. If he refuses, then he's discriminating against me because I live 2,000 miles away!!!

I suggest that anyone (except the government) should be allowed to discriminate against anyone. If Goldy is right and the overwhelming market has "evolved," then in this day and age of the internet, that photographer will be put out of business because the public will revolt and stop going to his store, right?
 
sturg33 said:
Such a joke that folks actually believe a private business owner shouldn't be allowed to refuse service.

I'm going to call a Colorado wedding photographer to take pics of my wedding in Virginia. If he refuses, then he's discriminating against me because I live 2,000 miles away!!!

I suggest that anyone (except the government) should be allowed to discriminate against anyone. If Goldy is right and the overwhelming market has "evolved," then in this day and age of the internet, that photographer will be put out of business because the public will revolt and stop going to his store, right?
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Hooray more stupid analogies that have nothing to even remotely do with the topic on hand.

But I'll not hound on you too much because you're at least consistent unlike some others.
 
goldfly said:
That is just playing a simple game of word play by saying it is choice if you want to use it that way

Which I thought we both know isn't the case of what we are talking about
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Just can't ever be a choice - such an interesting position to hold. Telling, I think.
 
BedellBrave said:
Ask those who keep wanting to rule choice out of the equation.
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I'd rather ask why it matters are all to someone who keeps bringing up various points as a seeming counter argument to why a homosexual shouldn't be granted basic civil liberties protected by law to other minorities.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'd rather ask why it matters are all to someone who keeps bringing up various points as a seeming counter argument to why a homosexual shouldn't be granted basic civil liberties protected by law to other minorities.
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I'm all for giving the LGBT crowd the right of civil unions (equal to the same rights recognized by the state for those who are married). And as I've stated plenty of times I know that you all will see fit for the State to give the word marriage to such unions as well and I've resigned myself to that inevitability though I don't agree with it. So, what exactly are you asking me? Pray tell.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'd rather ask why it matters are all to someone who keeps bringing up various points as a seeming counter argument to why a homosexual shouldn't be granted basic civil liberties protected by law to other minorities.
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So why do you want to rule choice out of the equation Z?
 
BedellBrave said:
So why do you want to rule choice out of the equation Z?
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Am I? I find it largely irrelevant in my civil rights belief. I think the fact that there are more than a few who don't have the choice is enough to make you believe that rights should be protected.

On a semi-related topic, what are the odds that there are more people choosing to be straight than choosing to be ***? I'd put healthy odds on that.
 
BedellBrave said:
I'm all for giving the LGBT crowd the right of civil unions (equal to the same rights recognized by the state for those who are married). And as I've stated plenty of times I know that you all will see fit for the State to give the word marriage to such unions as well and I've resigned myself to that inevitability though I don't agree with it. So, what exactly are you asking me? Pray tell.
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Civil liberties and civil marriages are not the same.
 
zitothebrave said:
Sorry Bedell, but you're not in the right here. We're not talking about the government forcing churches to marry,etc. that are protected religious rights, we're talking about someone who does business with the general public having a right to discriminate. There was a law passed many years ago that stopped such an event from happening to a black man or woman, that also protects homosexuals. People who are *** are not choosing to do it, just like people who're straight don't choose it. Sure there's some blurred lines where *** people pretend to be straight to avoid social stigmas but they're thinning.
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Yeah, you are.
 
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