Reports: Two Dallas Police Officers Shot During Protests

weso1 said:
I respect the same thing you do. Facts. Let's discuss facts and I bet we'll find an agreement on the change you are seeking.
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We probably won't get there in our lifetime.

When the majority of whites have mixed babies or a close relative that is one and this happens then we'll see some action.

Similar to anti gay stuff. A lot of anti gay people are anti gay until it hits them close to home and they realize they shouldn't be treating loves ones like trash. Don't get me wrong a lot still disown their own for being gay but when you see Dick Cheney be pro gay marriage because his daughter is a lesbian or someone like the senator from Ohio that was anti gay until his son came out of the closet you won't get support for anything to change.
 
Forever Fredi said:
I was already ticketed with it before. But you seem to be missing the point. It's not any secret anymore that police have legislated small things they can pull you over for to see if you are doing anyrhing worse. I see so many people with tag lights out. Some cars don't even have them.

They only enforce these stupid things when they want to pull someone over because it gives them an entry.

I mean I have cop friends that tell me straight up they can pull you over for a tail light being out so they can see if you have drugs in the car. It's just an entirely messed up system.
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See I have no problem with that. If the cops have a reason to pull you over for busted tail lights and such they should it's the law. How is that messed up?
 
Wow my reply was removed i guess.

Hope you all have a chance to really sit down with black women and men and listen to them. Really listen!!!!

It will open your eyes.
 
Forever Fredi said:
We probably won't get there in our lifetime.

When the majority of whites have mixed babies or a close relative that is one and this happens then we'll see some action.

Similar to anti gay stuff. A lot of anti gay people are anti gay until it hits them close to home and they realize they shouldn't be treating loves ones like trash. Don't get me wrong a lot still disown their own for being gay but when you see Dick Cheney be pro gay marriage because his daughter is a lesbian or someone like the senator from Ohio that was anti gay until his son came out of the closet you won't get support for anything to change.
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We'll get there when you're wiling to discuss them.
 
Krgrecw said:
See I have no problem with that. If the cops have a reason to pull you over for busted tail lights and such they should it's the law.
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I don't disagree. But I've only been pulled over three times for "window tint". Two of those times I could tell the cop was surprised I wasn't black when I rolled down my window, and the third was this pos that knew who I was and my car.

If I got ticketed for it everyday I'd do something about it. But in the 8 years I've had this car it's only happened 3 times. The third was from a state trooper in Macon that asked me and my gf at the time why we were driving to Atlanta on a Monday afternoon in July about 5 times. I told him it was none of his business and after the 5th time of asking I told him I was gonna see family.

So please let me know what us going to Atlanta has anything to do with my window tint violation. He was looking all inside my car and the backseat to find a unicorn back there. I know the feeling of being pulled over for speeding because the process is quick and the ticket is out in 3-5 minutes. I also know the feeling of being pulled over and being unnecessarily questioned and harassed over things that have nothing to do with why I was pulled over.

Again it's like seatbelt. Its click it or ticket but it's enforced so lightly that it's just one of those things for cops to pull you over so they ca see if you have anything else going on.
 
Forever Fredi said:
I was already ticketed with it before. But you seem to be missing the point. It's not any secret anymore that police have legislated small things they can pull you over for to see if you are doing anyrhing worse. I see so many people with tag lights out. Some cars don't even have them.

They only enforce these stupid things when they want to pull someone over because it gives them an entry.

I mean I have cop friends that tell me straight up they can pull you over for a tail light being out so they can see if you have drugs in the car. It's just an entirely messed up system.
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Agreed. So how does focusing on race as the driving force behind the problems solve anything?
 
smootness said:
Agreed. So how does focusing on race as the driving force behind the problems solve anything?
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Should it be the main focus? I wouldn't say that.

But to ignore it as a factor in many facets of our justice system from prosecutors to judges to cops it's hard to ignore. Doesn't give me much confidence when you see Stanford rape boy get off easy as well as the initial decision to let Affluenza boy off the hook.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Should it be the main focus? I wouldn't say that.

But to ignore it as a factor in many facets of our justice system from prosecutors to judges to cops it's hard to ignore. Doesn't give me much confidence when you see Stanford rape boy get off easy as well as the initial decision to let Affluenza boy off the hook.
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Forever Fredi said:
I don't disagree. But I've only been pulled over three times for "window tint". Two of those times I could tell the cop was surprised I wasn't black when I rolled down my window, and the third was this pos that knew who I was and my car.

If I got ticketed for it everyday I'd do something about it. But in the 8 years I've had this car it's only happened 3 times. The third was from a state trooper in Macon that asked me and my gf at the time why we were driving to Atlanta on a Monday afternoon in July about 5 times. I told him it was none of his business and after the 5th time of asking I told him I was gonna see family.

So please let me know what us going to Atlanta has anything to do with my window tint violation. He was looking all inside my car and the backseat to find a unicorn back there. I know the feeling of being pulled over for speeding because the process is quick and the ticket is out in 3-5 minutes. I also know the feeling of being pulled over and being unnecessarily questioned and harassed over things that have nothing to do with why I was pulled over.

Again it's like seatbelt. Its click it or ticket but it's enforced so lightly that it's just one of those things for cops to pull you over so they ca see if you have anything else going on.
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Atlanta is a notorious drug highway. That's how the cartels get to ny and DC. You're kind asking to be stopped if you're driving suspicious cars.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Should it be the main focus? I wouldn't say that.

But to ignore it as a factor in many facets of our justice system from prosecutors to judges to cops it's hard to ignore. Doesn't give me much confidence when you see Stanford rape boy get off easy as well as the initial decision to let Affluenza boy off the hook.
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No doubt, those were horrific rulings that also inflame tensions. Part of this responsibility, IMO, falls on the media. They will always focus on the stories that get the most interest and response, and right now those stories are blacks killed by white cops and whites getting off easy in criminal cases. While both are a serious issue, the rate at which both occur are exaggerated, which only feeds the fear that many blacks justifiably begin to feel.
 
Forever Fredi said:
I don't disagree. But I've only been pulled over three times for "window tint". Two of those times I could tell the cop was surprised I wasn't black when I rolled down my window, and the third was this pos that knew who I was and my car.

If I got ticketed for it everyday I'd do something about it. But in the 8 years I've had this car it's only happened 3 times. The third was from a state trooper in Macon that asked me and my gf at the time why we were driving to Atlanta on a Monday afternoon in July about 5 times. I told him it was none of his business and after the 5th time of asking I told him I was gonna see family.

So please let me know what us going to Atlanta has anything to do with my window tint violation. He was looking all inside my car and the backseat to find a unicorn back there. I know the feeling of being pulled over for speeding because the process is quick and the ticket is out in 3-5 minutes. I also know the feeling of being pulled over and being unnecessarily questioned and harassed over things that have nothing to do with why I was pulled over.

Again it's like seatbelt. Its click it or ticket but it's enforced so lightly that it's just one of those things for cops to pull you over so they ca see if you have anything else going on.
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Forever Fredi said:
Should it be the main focus? I wouldn't say that.

But to ignore it as a factor in many facets of our justice system from prosecutors to judges to cops it's hard to ignore. Doesn't give me much confidence when you see Stanford rape boy get off easy as well as the initial decision to let Affluenza boy off the hook.
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smootness said:
No doubt, those were horrific rulings that also inflame tensions. Part of this responsibility, IMO, falls on the media. They will always focus on the stories that get the most interest and response, and right now those stories are blacks killed by white cops and whites getting off easy in criminal cases. While both are a serious issue, the rate at which both occur are exaggerated, which only feeds the fear that many blacks justifiably begin to feel.
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This is nothing against you but i wish many would understand that many blacks didnt just wake up abd feel this way over the past few years. This is generational!!! Its everywhere and ingrained in our society. When I walk into an expensive store and dressed nicely why am I looked at like a criminal? Im told since birth that black skin is ugly. European features are beautiful. Blacks are evil...after all look at black on black violence ( even tho there are more whites and white on white violence than blacks).

The media didnt create this. Its been this way since the end of slavery. Oh we are free but not really. This is not new. Its just that now with social media many are fed up and becoming WOKE.
 
Feel the need to post this. A tweet, one I posted on this thread, showed a man with a weapon and the media said he was a suspect. Video has now come out showing him peacefully handing that weapon to a police officer. So he was not involved in this senseless shootings tonight. Only fair I post this.
 
There is no justification for what happened tonight in Dallas. Absolutely none. Bad judgments by any police officers do not give any good reason for violence. Anyone who is justifying the acts in Dallas are a part of the problem. The four officers who lost their lives had nothing to do with the situations in Baton Rouge and Minnesota. I pray for this nation, because I feel like the country is spiraling out of control. People are acting on emotion and when you do that, bad situations happen. This is not a black problem. This is not a white problem. This is not a police problem. This is not a civilian problem. This is an EVERY PERSON problem. So long as people act on anger and emotion, it's not going to get any better.
 
Forever Fredi said:
I don't disagree. But I've only been pulled over three times for "window tint". Two of those times I could tell the cop was surprised I wasn't black when I rolled down my window, and the third was this pos that knew who I was and my car.

If I got ticketed for it everyday I'd do something about it. But in the 8 years I've had this car it's only happened 3 times. The third was from a state trooper in Macon that asked me and my gf at the time why we were driving to Atlanta on a Monday afternoon in July about 5 times. I told him it was none of his business and after the 5th time of asking I told him I was gonna see family.

So please let me know what us going to Atlanta has anything to do with my window tint violation. He was looking all inside my car and the backseat to find a unicorn back there. I know the feeling of being pulled over for speeding because the process is quick and the ticket is out in 3-5 minutes. I also know the feeling of being pulled over and being unnecessarily questioned and harassed over things that have nothing to do with why I was pulled over.

Again it's like seatbelt. Its click it or ticket but it's enforced so lightly that it's just one of those things for cops to pull you over so they ca see if you have anything else going on.
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So you 'could tell' the cop expected you to be black? Perhaps you were the one making assumptions?

And I see that a cop questioned you unnecessarily after pulling you over...but it was also after he realized you were white. Perhaps cops are just power-drunk in general and not necessarily virulent racists?
 
njc108 said:
This is nothing against you but i wish many would understand that many blacks didnt just wake up abd feel this way over the past few years. This is generational!!! Its everywhere and ingrained in our society. When I walk into an expensive store and dressed nicely why am I looked at like a criminal? Im told since birth that black skin is ugly. European features are beautiful. Blacks are evil...after all look at black on black violence ( even tho there are more whites and white on white violence than blacks).

The media didnt create this. Its been this way since the end of slavery. Oh we are free but not really. This is not new. Its just that now with social media many are fed up and becoming WOKE.
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You have some valid points, but please refrain from a sense of satisfaction over the ambush killing of police officers. It's not helping you.

Yes, there has been a long history of racial animosity in this country that has negatively affected blacks. And there are still remnants of that today, and there are also just some aspects inherent of a minority (a la beauty standards). But perhaps as white people come to a better understanding of the experience of blacks and make a better effort to erase injustice, blacks could make an effort to remove the ingrained feeling of racial targeting of persecution? I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen, but I find it hard to believe that people honestly look at you like a criminal when entering an expensive store dressed nicely. I know a whole lot of black people a lot more wealthy than I am, and I imagine most people are in the same spot.

I think everyone would be much better off if everyone extended others the benefit of the doubt more often. Regardless of how we got here, we need to fix it. I didn't enslave anyone. But I understand the feelings that come with being a minority living among a people that at one point did enslave them. Rather than tossing blame around, let's all try to honestly fix the problems where they still appear.
 
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