Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Only if there are negative consequences for you.
Republican National Convention
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Only if there are negative consequences for you.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
That's quite apt. Pro Wrestling was my first thought, too. I half expected Trump to rush the podium.
sturg33
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Again, i'm not a Cruz fan... much of what he says I detest.
But I applaud him for not falling in line out of pressure. I think Rubio looks like a fool. I think Bernie looks like a fool.
Like him or hate him, Cruz gave a good speech and told voters to vote their conscious. That should not be controversial. But in our "less of two evils" society, it's seen as some villainous move
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Rubio's Senate seat is up this year (Hey! I thought he wasn't going to run.) making his political calculus different from Cruz'. Don't kid yourself, Cruz would be leading the Trump parade if he thought there was an advantage for him either in the short of long terms.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I don't think he's genuine in his personality at all. But I do believe he's genuine when it comes to being a constitutionalist and states rights type of guy.
It's just hilarious to me he now waits until the convention and the day after to start explaining why he doesn't support Trump and start attacking.
If he was this great principled man of conviction and honor, he would have been blasting Trump about this from the day he left stepped out of the race.
Instead he waited to get back into the spotlight and use it for his own gain.
The substance of the speech is irrelevant when you know the person giving the speech is a snake.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Maybe this comes from too many years in politics, but I find everyone to be a constitutionalist as long as it says what they want it to say.
sturg33
I
Funny that you think this is bad, but you're cool with your boy calling Hilary corrupt and unfit to be President... then told all his sheep to go vote for her
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
I definitely think there were political motivations for Cruz. That's a given. The bigger issue is how out of touch the Trump people and Republican party are with reality right now.
Trump threatened to do the same thing they are riding Cruz about, which is abandon the "pledge." In three days, much like the past year, I have not heard one thing about what Trump himself can do to move the country forward. You have to move beyond "Hillary sucks." You aren't changing any minds on that. Her record is her record for better or worse, and there aren't hardly any people left on the fence about her. Cruz's speech should have been every hardcore conservative's wet dream. It was quite excellent as a political speech. If it wakes people up to how loony he is, I suppose that's fine. But uh, they were on the floor whining because he didn't offer an endorsement to the guy who slandered his family.
It's just so bizarre and worth nothing more than reality-show entertainment at this point.
I can't wait for Trump to talk tonight. Hope he pulls the "lyin' Ted" card again.
Trump threatened to do the same thing they are riding Cruz about, which is abandon the "pledge." In three days, much like the past year, I have not heard one thing about what Trump himself can do to move the country forward. You have to move beyond "Hillary sucks." You aren't changing any minds on that. Her record is her record for better or worse, and there aren't hardly any people left on the fence about her. Cruz's speech should have been every hardcore conservative's wet dream. It was quite excellent as a political speech. If it wakes people up to how loony he is, I suppose that's fine. But uh, they were on the floor whining because he didn't offer an endorsement to the guy who slandered his family.
It's just so bizarre and worth nothing more than reality-show entertainment at this point.
I can't wait for Trump to talk tonight. Hope he pulls the "lyin' Ted" card again.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Cruz's brand of "constitutionalism," in particular is one of strictly sticking to a document that has been amended another 17 times after the Bill of Rights like it's a medical guide.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
There are those who take a more literal interpretation, as opposed to RBG who reads it like a fiction novel.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
That all depends on whether or not you ever want to accomplish anything. Cruz and Sanders can stand above the fray (as they both have done) and claim their ideological and, by extension, their moral superiority, but people want to get things done. One of the biggest problems I see for both sides is their inability to take off the blinders and see that the problems facing America cannot be solved by invoking secularly sacred texts to shut down action. I'm not aiming this at you because you don't hold public office, but those two do.
I think Cruz is the 8th dwarf: Smirky.
sturg33
I
I'm speaking about the voting populace.
I'm know I would be pretty depressed if I felt like I had to support either Trump or Hilary.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
When I was growing up, I hated my mother's cooking, but I preferred it to my father's cooking. It would have been nice to go out to a restaurant, but my father pinched his pennies so hard that you could actually see the tears in Lincoln's eyes.
sturg33
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Luckily... that is not an apt comparison.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Best I could come up with. Anyway, I don't begrudge you your choice in supporting Johnson. That's where you are ideologically and you've done your research to develop your views. What I don't like is when people who aren't as invested as you make this "I don't wanna" complaint. Democracy isn't a spectator sport. Get to your caucuses. Vote in your primaries. Research issues. Contact legislators. In short, get active. You have done that. Most of the other folks who are stuck in whine mode haven't done any of that. You have and so I don't take your comments as whining.
This election is simply depressing. Obama sucks, but at least I have some level of respect for him. I have zero for Trump or Hillary. I cannot understand how better candidates didn't step up. Besides Bernier, there are litterally zero that aren't upgrades over those 2. A scumbag and a crook....who wins?
Bernie probably doesn't want to be the guy in the history books as someone who helped Trump get elected. Just like Bush 43 didn't want to go down into history as doing nothing to try and avoid the Great Depression 2 and signed TARP. Call it the lesser of two evils or whatever you want. I want a multi-party system here like the UK or Canada. It would eliminate right wing non-sense from the mainstream, and then you can be happy because ilbertarians would be better represented. The country is center, shifting towards center-left with millenials. We would get a lot more done if it weren't for divided Congress and cowards wanting to keep their jobs instead of doing the right thing.
I am amazed over the years, you simply just don't understand the inner workings of politics.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think blame for the current system falls on both the political structure and the voting public. We live in a world with increasing consumer choice. That's all well and good, but people seem to believe that consuming politics is like a trip to the grocery store. No one voter gets their cart filled up with everything that they like. That means constant compromise. I get that people don't like to compromise, but there's no avoiding that in politics/government if things are going to work.
I like a parliamentary system as well because it requires coalition building and pretty much eliminates the executive function. It's important to remember, however, that party discipline is usually much greater in parliamentary systems.