Riley out 6-8 weeks

bravesfanMatt said:
wanna check that before posting...

he was -5 OAA in 22.. already -2 this year in less than 200 attempts.. he has a weak arm and no range.. he is in fact the definition of a sub par defender and has been for a few years. He was 29th out of 36 qualified 3rd baseman in 22 (his last full season)..

that said, he isn't worse than Riley, who I guess everyone here thinks is a great defender as well. which I guess is why they think there would be this huge drop off from putting someone like Olson at 3rd.. Probably wouldn't be much of a difference if you really look at the numbers.

The numbers are right there for anyone to look at if you want.
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Context and sampling matters.

of the 16 qualified 3B in 2022 his -5 would put him 12th. I guess that's technically subpar because Par would be truly average. But it's not really bad. When you have Patrick Wisdom and Alec Bohm doubling that it doesn't look so bad.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
yes, like moving Harper to first, or Freeman to 3rd.. it isn't ideal, but these guys are not your average softball, beer drinking lard asses.. they can make the basic plays, just going to lose out on harder plays.. But how many a week is that going to be. I could look, but not really interested as that scenario won't happen so it is mute.
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Freddie had at least played 3b in high school. Regardless, it was a move that was routinely panned at the time and ever since. And it achieved nothing, as we were still awful.
 
zitothebrave said:
Context and sampling matters.

of the 16 qualified 3B in 2022 his -5 would put him 12th. I guess that's technically subpar because Par would be truly average. But it's not really bad. When you have Patrick Wisdom and Alec Bohm doubling that it doesn't look so bad.
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I agree context does matter which is why I said Riley is actually worse according OAA. It wasn't a point that little mermaid was the worst 3rd baseman ever.. just he isn't some wizard over there that makes up for his lack of offense. His arm has decline quite a bit from being just below league average to yikes below league average from 22 to 24.. .talking his max throw is below league average.

my point really is if little mermaid is 5/6 OAA over a full year (500-1000 chances) and lets say Olson is -12 OAA... heck make it -15 OAA over the same span.. that is what 10ish runs over 162 games... so if you put Olson at 3rd for the 25ish games until Ozzie can return.. you are talking about 1.5 runs or so. I think the offensive improvement from TDA/Murphy over little mermaid is greater than the defensive hit.

but again, it is just a perspective I had that clearly twit and/or AA doesn't so what ever. But some should at least look at a few stats before claiming I am wrong. I am happy to be wrong, but at least put some data behind why I am wrong.
 
Carp said:
Freddie had at least played 3b in high school. Regardless, it was a move that was routinely panned at the time and ever since. And it achieved nothing, as we were still awful.
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well yeah, because it was a dumb move to get a terrible player more playing time.. FF moving to 3rd so whatever that dudes name who got on a heater was able to play first was stupid because he wasn't very good... I am talking about actual good players in Murp/TDA and Olson versus a scrub --whoever that was (so bad I forgot his name.. some fat lefty is all I remember)
 
bravesfanMatt said:
wanna check that before posting...

he was -5 OAA in 22.. already -2 this year in less than 200 attempts.. he has a weak arm and no range.. he is in fact the definition of a sub par defender and has been for a few years. He was 29th out of 36 qualified 3rd baseman in 22 (his last full season)..

that said, he isn't worse than Riley, who I guess everyone here thinks is a great defender as well. which I guess is why they think there would be this huge drop off from putting someone like Olson at 3rd.. Probably wouldn't be much of a difference if you really look at the numbers.

The numbers are right there for anyone to look at if you want.
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Which is why Urshela is now a back-up and was not a starter for anyone going into the season. Olson at 3rd? The guy has enough problems not stumbling all over himself at 1B.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
well yeah, because it was a dumb move to get a terrible player more playing time.. FF moving to 3rd so whatever that dudes name who got on a heater was able to play first was stupid because he wasn't very good... I am talking about actual good players in Murp/TDA and Olson versus a scrub --whoever that was (so bad I forgot his name.. some fat lefty is all I remember)
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You're talking about Matt Adams. Matt Adams was every bit as good of a hitter in 2017 for us as TDA or Murphy have been this year. Actually he was a decent bit better as a hitter. And Adams primary position defensively was 1b. So we didn't take 2 players who had never played those positions before and slap them out there randomly.

And again, that plan was widely panned and still is.

And it ignores the fact that it puts Olson and TDA/Murphy in an enhanced position to injure themselves, playing a position they never have before
 
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50PoundHead said:
Which is why Urshela is now a back-up and was not a starter for anyone going into the season. Olson at 3rd? The guy has enough problems not stumbling all over himself at 1B.
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eye test tends to agree with you but numbers seem to like Olson at first. Over the last 4 years 20-24 he has been a positive defender. Probably would position him closer to the line being a lefty. Not that first is exactly the same as 3rd, but it is not too far off. I think the hardest to judge is arm strength.. it is like no first baseman has a good average.. is that because they never have to max throw or is that the reason they are a first baseman.


looking at more numbers, I really doubt either case is going to impact the Braves record either way. Going the route of little mermaid is a 'safe' call.. not going to do anything special on either side of the plate/3rd, but won't completely butcher anything either. Such a small sample of games until Ozzie gets back that a little heater or a few BB could make him just as valuable.. Olson to 3rd is the 'crazier' move, with potential higher reward to risk.. much greater chance TDA/Murph ball out offensively than little mermaid.. but much higher chance that Olson and/or Ozuna just fall flat on their faces.. I would probably be more worried about Ozuna (which is weird no one actually disputed that point, only Olson at 3rd.. much harder defend from me imo) over Olson... but again small enough sample of games that one bad defensive game wouldn't cost to much in standings.
 
Carp said:
You're talking about Matt Adams. Matt Adams was every bit as good of a hitter in 2017 for us as TDA or Murphy have been this year. Actually he was a decent bit better as a hitter. And Adams primary position defensively was 1b. So we didn't take 2 players who had never played those positions before and slap them out there randomly.

And again, that plan was widely panned and still is.

And it ignores the fact that it puts Olson and TDA/Murphy in an enhanced position to injure themselves, playing a position they never have before
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thank you.. ol Fat adams..

That is the guy who looks great because of that insane month of June.. really mid may when he was acquired through June.. then started to slow down in July and completely tanked by the time FF got back. He was who he always was.. an ok hitter with good slg, but should have been a platoon guy at best.

The other issue with the 2017 move was the Braves were already dead and out of it when FF came back. if the Braves were 10 games back or 5 games up.. I wouldn't ever suggest this move.

As far as Olson getting hurt.. I seriously doubt that risk is any higher playing 3rd versus 1st. These are athletes who have been playing ball their whole lives.. I doubt moving across the diamond is that big of a deal. Also when was the last time a 3rd baseman got injured playing 3rd? infielders biggest risk is collision with baserunners. That can happen anywhere on the infield, I would say SS and 2B are far more at risk than 1B and 3B.
 
msstate7 said:
Braves win by pitching now. For this reason, soler scares me, but he's the only butcher we can handle
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this is true.. and probably a factor I should have thought of. it is easy to look at things from just a numbers stand point and not think of what the overall teams strengths are. pitchers would probably write AA a letter asking what the hell are you doing..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I agree context does matter which is why I said Riley is actually worse according OAA. It wasn't a point that little mermaid was the worst 3rd baseman ever.. just he isn't some wizard over there that makes up for his lack of offense. His arm has decline quite a bit from being just below league average to yikes below league average from 22 to 24.. .talking his max throw is below league average.

my point really is if little mermaid is 5/6 OAA over a full year (500-1000 chances) and lets say Olson is -12 OAA... heck make it -15 OAA over the same span.. that is what 10ish runs over 162 games... so if you put Olson at 3rd for the 25ish games until Ozzie can return.. you are talking about 1.5 runs or so. I think the offensive improvement from TDA/Murphy over little mermaid is greater than the defensive hit.

but again, it is just a perspective I had that clearly twit and/or AA doesn't so what ever. But some should at least look at a few stats before claiming I am wrong. I am happy to be wrong, but at least put some data behind why I am wrong.
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I hope you’re gonna be okay. I meant no ill will bruh. I forgot who first noticed but you really have gone soft.
 
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