Ronald Acuna is now a better hitter than prime Mike Trout.

Super said:
bro it’s been like 2-3 years how are you still 16 years old? are you benny button?
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I could not care any less about how old you view me.

I am a fan. I am a fan having fun.

People like you, sucking the fun out of the game, are why baseball has fallen so low on the national sports totem pole. 3rd and fading.

Maybe 35-40% of my friends are baseball fans. And these are sports fans.

Be better.
 
Just so I’m clear what’s happening here...

A post we would normally see on the Braves Facebook page is being ridiculed on a board frequented by the most savvy Braves fans on the planet. The poster takes offense, and cites the lack of popularity of baseball among casual fans as proof that a hardcore fan board frequented by about 0.01% of the Braves fan base needs to act more like the Facebook posters we come here to avoid.

An equivalent situation would be an essential oils reseller going into a medical review meeting and telling those doctors they need to treat patients based on the dotera pamphlets she has in her purse. She then gets angry when they try to explain the clinical/peer review process. She probably also throw out a quote defining a term like “alternative medicine” as some sort of argument.

Have I summed up this discussion reasonably well?
 
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Metaphysicist said:
History has taught me that hot starts are actually just an invitation to fall to earth like Icarus, so this is bad news.

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IDK man, Jake Delhomme had a pretty dang good run of it.
 
Enscheff said:
Just so I’m clear what’s happening here...

A post we would normally see on the Braves Facebook page is being ridiculed on a board frequented by the most savvy Braves fans on the planet. The poster takes offense, and cites the lack of popularity of baseball among casual fans as proof that a hardcore fan board frequented by about 0.01% of the Braves fan base needs to act more like the Facebook posters we come here to avoid.

An equivalent situation would be an essential oils reseller going into a medical review meeting and telling those doctors they need to treat patients based on the dotera pamphlets she has in her purse. She then gets angry when they try to explain the clinical/peer review process. She probably also through out a quite defining a term like “alternative medicine” as some sort of argument.

Have I summed up this discussion reasonably well?
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Lol
 
Enscheff said:
Acuna probably didn't cut his K rate in half during the offseason, though I expect a better rate than what he did in 2020.

He is currently rocking a .448 BABIP and I think we all know what that means by now.
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Yes, he is clearly not going to hit .400.

He may have cut his K% in half. We need 16 more at bats for it to stabilize.

He is only 23, and he is now getting to the point where he is "experienced".

Hell, the human brain doesn't even stop developing until the mid-20s.

You are probably right as always, but how fun will it be if he HAS cut his K rate in half?
 
Then he's roughly Juan Soto, minus about 50 points in OBP, plus about 1 fWAR of defensive value, plus another 0.5 fWAR in baserunning value.

Acuna has to carry over his 2020 BB rate to be better than Soto (it's back to roughly 2019 levels so far), much less better than Trout...who is still better than Soto.

It's not easy to comprehend just how good Mike Trout has been for the last decade. He is truly a historic talent, and it's easy to miss it based on where he plays and how low key he is. He is basically what we would get if we took all the best parts of both Soto and Acuna, and combined them in a lab, and then sucked all the swagger out of the result.
 
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Enscheff said:
Then he's roughly Juan Soto, minus about 50 points in OBP, plus about 1 fWAR of defensive value, plus another 0.5 fWAR in baserunning value.

Acuna has to carry over his 2020 BB rate to be better than Soto (it's back to roughly 2019 levels so far), much less better than Trout...who is still better than Soto.

It's not easy to comprehend just how good Mike Trout has been for the last decade. He is truly a historic talent, and it's easy to miss it based on where he plays and how low key he is. He is basically what we would get if we took all the best parts of both Soto and Acuna, and combined them in a lab, and then sucked all the swagger out of the result.
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yeah. the BB % is on an uptrend though! and it takes longer to stabilize. 120 plate appearances compared to 60 for K rate. (you know all that, just saying)

The lack of swagger for Trout is a huge problem. We really need guys like Acuna and Soto and Buxton to be great for the sport's sake.

Trout would be king of the world in 1960, though, that's true.
 
SJ24 said:
Oh I get it.

I am also a FAN, which is short for FANATIC

Per Google, a fanatic is . . . "a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause."

My cause is Ronald Acuna Jr being better than Mike Trout.

This is a Braves forum, where everyone should feel similarly.

10 games is 10 games. Will be extremely fun to keep track of and see where he ends up.

Don't like it, don't post.
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Didn’t you pick the Marlins to win the World Series this year?

Some fan you are.
 
SJ24 said:
yeah. the BB % is on an uptrend though! and it takes longer to stabilize. 120 plate appearances compared to 60 for K rate. (you know all that, just saying)

The lack of swagger for Trout is a huge problem. We really need guys like Acuna and Soto and Buxton to be great for the sport's sake.

Trout would be king of the world in 1960, though, that's true.
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It's also important to understand that just because a particular stat "stabilizes" at some specified number of PAs, that doesn't mean there aren't flukey outliers. This definition of stabilization is based around confidence intervals, and those are still expressed in terms like "95% certain the number will fall between value X and Y". So there's always a percent chance the "real" value is outside the range, and the size of that range can be rather large.

As reference, Acuna has had many 15 game stretches where his K rate has been this low:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/r...tArray=&start=2019&end=2021&rtype=mult&gt1=15

The only reason it's notable now is the stat sheet arbitrarily resets at the start of each season.
 
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bravesfanMatt said:
Should I read that story or just know that no where in that article does Trouts name get mentioned. Yeah. I think I will pass on it.
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I’ll save you the trouble. The article even claims this is small sample stuff.

“ A handful of games doesn't put Acuna on that level.”

However....

I wouldn’t dare claim Acuna isn’t capable of these types of improvements.
 
One man's small sample size is another man's early opportunity.

I bet those early Coinbase investors who made 9 figures today are laughing pretty hard.

ACUNA TO THE MOON.
 
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