Rotation '16

UNCBlue012 said:
I would love to keep Teheran personally, but a good deal would change it. That being said, even though he SHOULD (I think he's better than Miller personally), he won't get as much right now.
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Agree. Imagine if he's back to himself at the deadline and the dodgers are fighting for a spot....

Maybe they give up Urias and a position prospect in aa plus take markakis.
 
Hudson2 said:
I'd trade Teheran only if we got back a middle of the order type of young hitter. Soler fits that description. I wouldn't mind somebody like Meadows from Pittsburg, he's a young stud cf'er will pop. Fister and Latos would be ideal on a 1 year deal to build some value. As far as Folty goes, he has to be given the 5th spot all year to sink or swim.
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Agree

Folty has to start all yr. last shot. If he can't do it then him and viz are power arms in pen for 17
 
Russ2dollas said:
Agree. Imagine if he's back to himself at the deadline and the dodgers are fighting for a spot....

Maybe they give up Urias and a position prospect in aa plus take markakis.
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Urias and Barnes, maybe? I'll fly Julio (one of my top guys... again) to Los Angeles.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
here is my take.. if Braves are looking to add another vet pitcher, then I think Julio will be traded. The FO smells blood and are now circling..

But I seriously doubt they cast Perez and Weber to the side in a non competitive year. I think they are going to fire sale one last time at the deadline, so might as well build value where you can. I think the Pen will be Viz/Withrow/JJ/Grilli/Winkler/Krol/(folty/manBan) to start then Simmons may join in June.. Burawa and Marksberry will be in AAA... Cunniff and McKrappy will be cut.

Then let Julio or FA starter/ Norris/Wisler have top 3 spots.. ManBan/Folty/Weber/Perez battle for the last two spots. honestly think ManBan goes to pen this year to make sure his arm is good... then one of Weber or Perez goes to AAA to build whatever value he can.

here are our notable pitchers..

STARTERS..............................pen

Norris............................................Viz

Julio...............................................Simmons

Wisler............................................Withrow

Perez..............................................Grilli

Folty..............................................Winkler

Weber.............................................JJ

ManBan...........................................Krol

......................................................(Folty/Man/Ban)



AAA

Jason Hursh

Blair

Sims

Newcomb

Jenkins

AA

Steve Janas

Ellis

John Gant

Andrew Thurman

Zach Bird

AA and below

Seth Webster

Brandon Barker

Yean Carlos Gil

Max Povse

Rob Whalen

Matt Bywater

Touki

Ricardo Sanchez

Caleb Beech

Allard

Luis Gamez

Mike soroka

Wes Parson

matt Withrow

Patrick Weigel

Josh Graham

Ryan Lawlor
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Fried?
 
Hudson2 said:
I'd trade Teheran only if we got back a middle of the order type of young hitter. Soler fits that description. I wouldn't mind somebody like Meadows from Pittsburg, he's a young stud cf'er will pop. Fister and Latos would be ideal on a 1 year deal to build some value. As far as Folty goes, he has to be given the 5th spot all year to sink or swim.
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completely agree on Folty and I like Fister to bounce back.. if we trade Julio, I would want Fister to get a deal.. then promptly traded at the deadline for a nice return..
 
Hudson2 said:
I'd trade Teheran only if we got back a middle of the order type of young hitter. Soler fits that description. I wouldn't mind somebody like Meadows from Pittsburg, he's a young stud cf'er will pop. Fister and Latos would be ideal on a 1 year deal to build some value. As far as Folty goes, he has to be given the 5th spot all year to sink or swim.
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I think the Braves could also make a trade where they take on a contract to get talent back. Something like Garza and Phillips from the Brewers for Jenkins and CB would be what I would explore. The Brewers want Garza gone, (he's owed $12.5M for 16 and 17 with a vesting option/club option at $13M for 18) and they have a ton of outfielders already and could part with Phillips. However, that trade would probably require the Braves to move Markakis' money.
 
IF I could do the Brewers trade that I outlined above (or something similar), and trade Markakis, then I would sign Latos as well for a year with an option and either trade Teheran now if I could get something good enough or look to trade one or all of Teheran, Garza, Latos, Norris at the deadline.

My opening day rotation would be: Teheran (if still here), Latos, Norris, Garza, Wisler

If Teheran is gone then: Latos, Norris, Garza, Wisler, ManBan or Perez

AAA: Blair, Newcomb, Sims, Folty, ManBan/Perez
 
Another veteran might be added, but I would be happy enough to stand pat with Teheran, Wisler, Norris, Newcomb, and Perez/Blair.

Anyone remember Ellis? But AAA would likely be ManBan, Sims, Folty, Gant, and Blair/Jenkins.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I think the Braves could also make a trade where they take on a contract to get talent back. Something like Garza and Phillips from the Brewers for Jenkins and CB would be what I would explore. The Brewers want Garza gone, (he's owed $12.5M for 16 and 17 with a vesting option/club option at $13M for 18) and they have a ton of outfielders already and could part with Phillips. However, that trade would probably require the Braves to move Markakis' money.
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You keep bringing up Garza, but the guy is a total headcase and a terrible clubhouse presence. I think they threw a parade in the Twins' office when they unloaded him.
 
rico43 said:
Another veteran might be added, but I would be happy enough to stand pat with Teheran, Wisler, Norris, Newcomb, and Perez/Blair.

Anyone remember Ellis? But AAA would likely be ManBan, Sims, Folty, Gant, and Blair/Jenkins.
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ManBan out of options so rotation/pen/ or dealt..
 
I would like to see the Braves sign Latos and go with

Teheran

Latos

Norris

Wisler

Blair/Perez/Folty/Jenkins/ManBan

I also agree this is the make or break year for Folty. He either shows he can be a starter, or he is moved to the BP.
 
Teheran
Wisler
Norris
Free agent/Trade
Folty/Jenkins/ManBan/Perez

I would start the year with the above rotation. I would really like the Free agent/Trade starter to be left handed, and i'm not sold on Minor....eventually by the end of the year, you should have Newcomb/Jenkins/Ellis/etc. fighting for a rotation spot
 
bravesfanMatt said:
WOW!!! I can't believe I forgot him. good catch. AA IMO..
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Considering he has thrown 124 innings at low A, he will probably start in low or high A with a 75-100 inning limit. If all goes well he could be in AA the next year with a 150-175 inning limit. After that he should be ready for AAA/MLB depending on needs of the club and his performance.
 
50PoundHead said:
You keep bringing up Garza, but the guy is a total headcase and a terrible clubhouse presence. I think they threw a parade in the Twins' office when they unloaded him.
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That's the whole point. I don't WANT him. I want Phillips and I would be willing to take the headcase and his money to get him since 2016 is a wash anyway.

I think everyone focuses in on having a guy that does things the right way. But, I think it can be equally effective, if handled correctly by management, to have a guy who does things the wrong way as an example for young players of what not to do.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
That's the whole point. I don't WANT him. I want Phillips and I would be willing to take the headcase and his money to get him since 2016 is a wash anyway.

I think everyone focuses in on having a guy that does things the right way. But, I think it can be equally effective, if handled correctly by management, to have a guy who does things the wrong way as an example for young players of what not to do.
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The Brewers are going young and building with top young talent. They're not going to trade an elite prospect in Phillips to clear Garza
 
emk418 said:
The Brewers are going young and building with top young talent. They're not going to trade an elite prospect in Phillips to clear Garza
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Agreed. He was the main piece in selling Gomez, so it doesn't make sense to basically trade Gomez just so you can then dump Garza.
 
Just listened to John Hart radio interview and he talked about adding a FA SP. Here's how I'd paraphrase what he said . . . They're considering a value starter on a one year deal that could gravitate back to the bullpen when one of the young guys is ready. So, they're aiming pretty low in other words.
 
dak said:
Just listened to John Hart radio interview and he talked about adding a FA SP. Here's how I'd paraphrase what he said . . . They're considering a value starter on a one year deal that could gravitate back to the bullpen when one of the young guys is ready. So, they're aiming pretty low in other words.
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Sounds like a Bartolo Colon type starter.....the food bill for the clubhouse managers could be getting ready to reach new heights :Bowman:
 
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